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Course of animation and drawning, and possibly tablet. 
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I was talking with my aunt in MSN and I noticed she was asking this to see my opinion and then come after and offer me something (we call it "sondar", "to probe", but idk, I saw some images about probe, and :O_o: ), she started talking about a tablet her daughter-in-law got, and that she didn't knew exactly what was that, then she asked my opinion and talked about me (first I thought she was going to give me a tablet) but then I noticed she was going to offer me a course, she continued talking about animations, that I'm good with computers, and that extra-class activities are good because you may work with that in future, and you can look at it as fun; some time after she said she looked at the tablet's images and that the drawings were great, I told her a friend of my dad have one, and she asked, why I don't ask him to teach me some things, and I explained her that he told me about an internship and that I just lost contact, and she said I should look for a course and she may pay it to me, that is is expensive but she could help me there.

I'm lazy for extra-school activities, but it'd be great!
I just couldn't bear it just with me, :oh: , and at least now I can get better at drawing and I can animate PROFESSIONALLY with the certificate, possibly getting a tablet would be great too. Lol, I think my mom have been talking with my aunt...

Anyway, do you know around how much is a tablet, and if I can use with any program? (I guess so, because it is just like a mouse, but pen shaped, right?).

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Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

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RR Kyuubit wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

i am from the mexico so my english is not very well

Mexican forums say hi.
So do English tutors.

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Kittenpuncher wrote:
RR Kyuubit wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

i am from the mexico so my english is not very well

Mexican forums say hi.
So do English tutors.

your mother said hi
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Depending on what tablet you get, the price varies. A good tablet for starters is a bamboo or bamboo fun (the one I have) from Wacom. A tablet can completely replace a mouse so yes it can be used with all or at least most programs

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xnejihatakex19 wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
RR Kyuubit wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

i am from the mexico so my english is not very well

Mexican forums say hi.
So do English tutors.

your mother said hi
last night

To me
at home

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Kittenpuncher wrote:
xnejihatakex19 wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
RR Kyuubit wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

i am from the mexico so my english is not very well

Mexican forums say hi.
So do English tutors.

your mother said hi
last night

To me
at home

no i was having sex with her
see thats offensive and meant to hurt your feelings


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Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

Oh, it was more to talk about the course, and I forgot about the tech section.

And I'm brazilian, and I can speak decently, but I'm just learning, and there are some words I can't find on dictionaries nor in the internet, especially technical terms.
And in addition to that, when I'm excited, upset or sleepy, I forget almost all I know, when I look again I'm like /:| how could I write that?

I was expecting funny posts anyway, :wee: , but, instead of bawing, tips and help are welcome.

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Thanks, she said this one was expensive, but she didn't told me how much. I'll search for it at Mercado Livre anyway, they are usually cheaper there, and I can find many models. And yes, it is what I though, this way is a lot easier.

And... in my dream, or thoughts (my memory = fail, and considering I was probably sleepy or sleeping) there was something about a tablet, and how easier it is to use, maybe she got my thoughts.

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xnejihatakex19 wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
xnejihatakex19 wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
RR Kyuubit wrote:
Kittenpuncher wrote:
Tech section says high.
and so does English tutoring.

i am from the mexico so my english is not very well

Mexican forums say hi.
So do English tutors.

your mother said hi
last night

To me
at home

no i was having sex with her
see thats offensive and meant to hurt your feelings

how is that offensive

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Kittenpuncher wrote:
how is that offensive

It is offensice because you love to see someone f having sex with your mom, but you hate love, and you feel like nobody understands you because of that.

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I use a tablet. If you can't draw well on paper, forget about it.

That being said, any tablet is good EXCEPT for the smallest size of a given category. Never get the smallest size.

I use an Intuos 3 9x12. It's the best 3:4 tablet that isn't a Cintiq. At least, it was until the Intuos 4 line came along. It still works awesomely though. My tablet cost roughly $300, refurbished not new. A new one, from the intuos 4 line, is $469.00.

As for software that works well with a tablet, I'd recommend: Photoshop, Corel Painter, Autodesk Sketchbook, and Macromedia Flash (now Adobe Flash).


Also, professionally being able to animate means very little. Professional just means that you're on the payroll. Anyone can do that with or without a certificate.

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Evilagram wrote:
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That being said, any tablet is good EXCEPT for the smallest size of a given category. Never get the smallest size.

I had to learn this the hard way, I should have gotten the larger size of bamboo fun.

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Evilagram wrote:
I use a tablet. If you can't draw well on paper, forget about it.

That being said, any tablet is good EXCEPT for the smallest size of a given category. Never get the smallest size.

I use an Intuos 3 9x12. It's the best 3:4 tablet that isn't a Cintiq. At least, it was until the Intuos 4 line came along. It still works awesomely though. My tablet cost roughly $300, refurbished not new. A new one, from the intuos 4 line, is $469.00.

As for software that works well with a tablet, I'd recommend: Photoshop, Corel Painter, Autodesk Sketchbook, and Macromedia Flash (now Adobe Flash).


Also, professionally being able to animate means very little. Professional just means that you're on the payroll. Anyone can do that with or without a certificate.

I'm getting better now, and I'm better with sketchs, or round drawings (I mean, when you draw making circular motion), and I'm learning how to draw manga, and it seems better to me than the "style" I tried after.

I can draw better on computers, because I can redo the lines after, what is harder with a real pen or a pencil; and I'm even better with PAs, and even f*** better if I have a reference, maybe because I don't have a good memory, in general.
I don't mind realism (in drawings) that much, as I just draw to express my feelings or as a reference for spriting and if the drawing suck I can fix it while I'm spriting.
By the way, I like to draw objects and animals more than people.

I have both Photoshop and Corel (Draw, Photopaint, Trace, R.A.V.E.), and I had Flash but it was trial. I'd like to use the tablet in Paint, though, so I could draw the lineart of PA's (or even sprites), then fix and shade after.

I know is means little, but the certificate at least will make people trust me easier, it is like, English, I'm on a course, the better course here, and last semester I got the max grade and I learned nothing (disregarding cultural stuff, some grammar rules and the pronunciation of some things; I really should've made this leveling test thing, but my mom said I shouldn't) because I already knew most of the stuff, now THIS SEMESTER, things are getting more interesting, but it still a bit easy, besides, I know that I will get a job a lot easier if I show the certifiate than if I just tell in my curriculum I know American English (Basic), without any proof.
I have sure that an animation course on Brazil for teenagers will start with very basic things, like, how to align the frames or whatever, but at the end I'll have a proof I can do that, and..., this way I can work with anyone bothering me and saying I'm playing-on-the-computer-all-the-day while I'm not.

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MultiSenhor wrote:
I'm getting better now, and I'm better with sketchs, or round drawings (I mean, when you draw making circular motion), and I'm learning how to draw manga, and it seems better to me than the "style" I tried after.

Called contour drawings.

Yeah, a lot of people do that at first. I say, ignore style. Just forget about style. Try doing things as they are until you get a good feel for it, then worry about style later. Here's a list from one of my resources:

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The Rules of Art v1

* Study the following first
o Anatomy(muscle structure, bone structure, construction of objects)
o Perspective(viewing angle, 1, 2 and 3 point perspectives)
o Composition(placement of objects, focal points, viewing angle, overall feel)
* Study the following next
o Contrast(emphasization of opposites colors to create depth)
o Light/Shadow(how light creates shadows and highlights)
o Color Value(mood, atmosphere, how they affect a picture)
* Study the following LAST
o Creativity(concepts and imagination)
o Style(proper exaggeration of the above basics of art)


It was written by someone who knows what they're doing, so I'd advise following it.

MultiSenhor wrote:
I can draw better on computers, because I can redo the lines after, what is harder with a real pen or a pencil; and I'm even better with PAs, and even f*** better if I have a reference, maybe because I don't have a good memory, in general.


That first part tipped me off that you need more practice. Being able to redo the lines for a cleaner result is actually a bad thing as far as learning is concerned. Yes, it's sometimes necessary to erase and redo a section, but if you can't draw confidently then you're in trouble.

I myself sketch in pen. I started this because I was bored in class and didn't have any working pencils. After I started, I got all sorts of recommendations saying, "Oh yeah, sketching in pen is great" "Keep sketching in pen" So there I went. The reason for this is that sketching in pen builds confidence in your lines. You learn to get it right on the first line, not the seventh.

Pixelart is an infinite amount of editing and re-editing, but the basic outline and structure is what really defines a piece. As you go over it more and more, the original "strength" of a work is lost. This is why you should never sprite something in parts, always go for the big picture first.

And naturally, everyone works better with a reference.

MultiSenhor wrote:
I don't mind realism (in drawings) that much, as I just draw to express my feelings or as a reference for spriting and if the drawing suck I can fix it while I'm spriting.
By the way, I like to draw objects and animals more than people.


Objects and animals are much easier to draw than people, because it's a lot easier to get away with mistakes. People are less likely to notice that dog's legs don't bend that way, because they don't really know how a dog's leg works in the first place. However if you goof up on human anatomy, anyone can tell.

I'm personally a big fan of realism. My personal goal and philosophy in art is to achieve realism on a fanciful subject (like a dragon). Other people have other motivations.

Overall, don't try to fix something you've already done, try to get it right the first time. If you don't, then just make a correction, but always try to not need a correction. And don't be paranoid about critique.

MultiSenhor wrote:
I have both Photoshop and Corel (Draw, Photopaint, Trace, R.A.V.E.), and I had Flash but it was trial. I'd like to use the tablet in Paint, though, so I could draw the lineart of PA's (or even sprites), then fix and shade after.


I've used a tablet in paint before. Nice stuff. Great for laying out the basic structure of a piece.

Flash is less compatible with a tablet than other things, but I felt it worth mentioning since you mentioned becoming an animator.

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I know is means little, but the certificate at least will make people trust me easier, it is like, English, I'm on a course, the better course here, and last semester I got the max grade and I learned nothing (disregarding cultural stuff, some grammar rules and the pronunciation of some things; I really should've made this leveling test thing, but my mom said I shouldn't) because I already knew most of the stuff, now THIS SEMESTER, things are getting more interesting, but it still a bit easy, besides, I know that I will get a job a lot easier if I show the certifiate than if I just tell in my curriculum I know American English (Basic), without any proof.
I have sure that an animation course on Brazil for teenagers will start with very basic things, like, how to align the frames or whatever, but at the end I'll have a proof I can do that, and..., this way I can work with anyone bothering me and saying I'm playing-on-the-computer-all-the-day while I'm not.


I wasn't aware of the working conditions in Brazil, or even that you lived there. If that works for you, fine, go ahead.

The way things work in the US (and basically all of the first world for that matter), is that skill matters, not silly certificates. One of the most successful concept artists in the world, Jason Manley, never got his degree in the arts (and saved a ton of money on student loans). Keep art in top priority. Of course, if you think that certificate will help you get a job with no nonsense, then get it.

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Evilagram wrote:
Called contour drawings.
Thanks, I have "a thing" with circles, so I decided to draw while making circles, I didn't knew it has a name.

Yeah, a lot of people do that at first. I say, ignore style. Just forget about style. Try doing things as they are until you get a good feel for it, then worry about style later. Here's a list from one of my resources:

Quote:
The Rules of Art v1

* Study the following first
o Anatomy(muscle structure, bone structure, construction of objects)
o Perspective(viewing angle, 1, 2 and 3 point perspectives)
o Composition(placement of objects, focal points, viewing angle, overall feel)
* Study the following next
o Contrast(emphasization of opposites colors to create depth)
o Light/Shadow(how light creates shadows and highlights)
o Color Value(mood, atmosphere, how they affect a picture)
* Study the following LAST
o Creativity(concepts and imagination)
o Style(proper exaggeration of the above basics of art)


It was written by someone who knows what they're doing, so I'd advise following it.

The bolded is what I've been paying more attention since I started spriting (you may noticed by my post, I sprite more than I draw), and I'm a fan of da Vinci becuase of his study about these things, I have no problems with opening bodies, and I try to learn by observing things around me or experiment.
I even do poses and sometimes I look at the mirror or I use a camera to take a picture, but I stopped doing that because my brothers thought I was an idiot who was imitating people from games or cartoons or wathever, they really don't have any knowledge in this area :hmph: , I also do models in paper or clay, and do experiences with light or with any stuff, moving them, looking how they lok in different kinds of lights or when moved by wind, burnt or thrown.


That first part tipped me off that you need more practice. Being able to redo the lines for a cleaner result is actually a bad thing as far as learning is concerned. Yes, it's sometimes necessary to erase and redo a section, but if you can't draw confidently then you're in trouble.

Well, it depends on what I'm doing, if I'm just drawing, I don't erase, but if I'm drawing something like a character of mine or someone I like, I usually redo it some times. It is why I like contour drawing, I never need to redo that, if something, i just fill some parts with the pencil and it is ok. when I'm drawing in a small scale I rather redo it from scratch than "fix" it.

I myself sketch in pen. I started this because I was bored in class and didn't have any working pencils. After I started, I got all sorts of recommendations saying, "Oh yeah, sketching in pen is great" "Keep sketching in pen" So there I went. The reason for this is that sketching in pen builds confidence in your lines. You learn to get it right on the first line, not the seventh.

I drew in pen, I hated pencils, even to write, but now I'm forced to use pencils because I keep losting my pens, when they don't explode or someone don't steal them, :?

Pixelart is an infinite amount of editing and re-editing, but the basic outline and structure is what really defines a piece. As you go over it more and more, the original "strength" of a work is lost. This is why you should never sprite something in parts, always go for the big picture first.

Well, I don't know, sometimes I feel doing all the lineart first, sometimes I feel like doing a part and shading it until it looks good to me, but I don't know why.

And naturally, everyone works better with a reference.

Objects and animals are much easier to draw than people, because it's a lot easier to get away with mistakes. People are less likely to notice that dog's legs don't bend that way, because they don't really know how a dog's leg works in the first place. However if you goof up on human anatomy, anyone can tell.

Yes, but it is about meaning too, I don't like people, when I draw people I don't draw their faces, and when I draw faces I don't draw the whole rest (not even the head outline or hair).

I'm personally a big fan of realism. My personal goal and philosophy in art is to achieve realism on a fanciful subject (like a dragon). Other people have other motivations.

I don't mind realism because my kind thing is more about feeling, but I alwyas thought the same things about achieving realism on non-existent things, but I never saw something like this, even in very realist 3D games or movies, or drawings. It would be interesting, at least.

Overall, don't try to fix something you've already done, try to get it right the first time. If you don't, then just make a correction, but always try to not need a correction. And don't be paranoid about critique.

Yes about trying to get right the first time, and 10 thousand billions f*** yeah to the criticism part, seriously, people is so dumb for not accepting criticism.

I've used a tablet in paint before. Nice stuff. Great for laying out the basic structure of a piece.

This is why I want to do so.

Flash is less compatible with a tablet than other things, but I felt it worth mentioning since you mentioned becoming an animator.

I want to be a spriter for life, but being I spriter I also want to make games or code in general (I knew some html and sadscript, but I forgot most things, because I stopped practicing), and all that implies animating.

I wasn't aware of the working conditions in Brazil, or even that you lived there. If that works for you, fine, go ahead.

The way things work in the US (and basically all of the first world for that matter), is that skill matters, not silly certificates. One of the most successful concept artists in the world, Jason Manley, never got his degree in the arts (and saved a ton of money on student loans). Keep art in top priority. Of course, if you think that certificate will help you get a job with no nonsense, then get it.

Well, skill counts, but certificate still helping a lot here, in general. I don't know about art, I don't know much artists, but I know that most of people that are kinda famous without making courses are famous because they showed their work on internet and people liked. The most valued thing here, talking about digital art, is design; wedesign, CD covers, pamphlets and banners, then vector drawing.
And I found another reason for the course, knowing local people with common interests.


Thank you, you made me feel more secure about all that ;)
And you got some good tips thar lil' boi.

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