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so kyoz is always going on about how if ZSS is offstage against falcon it's a guaranteed KO

but idk how

cause ZSS has so much invincibility on her tether and can grab ledge from a long distance instantaneously
also it's hard to grab ledge quickly enough to keep the invincibility and make the tether fail, as the tether can be held off until the last second

help pls

Edge guarding ZSS is practically impossible no matter who you are. She could just go high with DJ, super high with DJ->up spec, go super low and then use DJ-up spec to recover from the blast zone, she could even fake going low then suddenly use side spec and grab the ledge. Well timed downspecs also give her longer recovery, so yeah. Even MK can't edge guard her.


right, that's kind of what I thought.

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Noted. I'll probably never try again. Just leeds to % loss.

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Kyoz says she's easy to edgeguard.

Its mainly just to trick you into going for it off stage and eat a facefull of hooker boot

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gimp her when shes using her double jump and shes dead. she only can recover directly sideways or directly upward. downb is just a glorified distraction as her airspeed goes farther faster.
or if you see shes under the stage hold the ledge and use prediction skills/zss knowledge to time your roll for when upb is going to come out and then she cant grab and shes dead.

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gimp her when shes using her double jump and shes dead. she only can recover directly sideways or directly upward. downb is just a glorified distraction as her airspeed goes farther faster.
or if you see shes under the stage hold the ledge and use prediction skills/zss knowledge to time your roll for when upb is going to come out and then she cant grab and shes dead.

Then you mistime the ledgegrab and get meteored lol :annoyed:

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Has anyone played someone named Kyoz?

Zero Suit Samus is a very strong character.


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Has anyone played someone named Kyoz?

Zero Suit Samus is a very strong character.


Kyoz is like the best competitive SSF2 player right now, so yeah, many of us played them. And yes, ZSS is a great character if you know how to use her. I dont know how though...

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Down B is more than a distraction, it is a very fast air dodge with combined with a strange jump, that will often result in a spike if you tried to hit her through the start of down b. Plus she is capable of using this move to get some extra distance in if she loses her super freakin high double jump, and can be used to severely mess up your timing

Edge hogging is easier said than done, if you mess up you get meteored by Up B and she grabs the ledge, either gimping you for the attempt or otherwise reversing the edge guard situation.

Down B and especially double jump make up for her up b lack of vertical recovery on its own. She is fast, and she can get amazing height with a jumping up b, so instead of going for the ledge she can just fly right the hell over you and throw out a hitbox on the way down to keep you from retaliating. If she loses her double jump, her recovery becomes more reliant on the ledge, but attempting to edge hog will result in death if your timing is even slightly off (which she can stall with down B to throw you off, or use side B if you are going to try and edge guard up b instead to further mess with your timing), so while when you are successful she's more or less boned, but it is EXTREMELY risky to edgeguard ZSS.

So the key here is semi spikes, which due to her double jump become mostly impractical to hit with (although Pika's Uair is a very major exception) until you manage to hit her back off stage after she uses it, to which you need to try to intercept horizontally with a meteor or semi spike.

Few characters can consistently edge guard ZSS. Honestly I'd say Pikachu would probably be among her hardest matchups because of uair and thunder being able to better intercept her vertically than almost any other character's edge guarding options, among other things.

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swyft the hedgedog wrote:
Has anyone played someone named Kyoz?

Zero Suit Samus is a very strong character.


Kyoz is like the best competitive SSF2 player right now, so yeah, many of us played them. And yes, ZSS is a great character if you know how to use her. I dont know how though...

Thats debateable on him being the best, but ZSS is very good yeah.

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Yo, my boi wants his salty runback up in here.

Mone$y-match first-to-fitty #SettleItInSmash.


I've come sooo close to beating Kyoz. Every time its last stock for each of us at high percents. The salt is real.


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you dont use upb or sideb onstage and you really should

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you dont use upb or sideb onstage and you really should

he's trying to be fun with her from what I hear haha


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