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Clubby Bear wrote:
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If not Dark Pit, it probably just would've been another clone character, or no character at all.

While I do see the reason why Dark Pit was added into the game, I personally would have chosen Ninten to get the extra slot if there was one. While Lucas represented the finale to the Mother series in Brawl, Ninten could've represent the first game in the series, and would've (presumably) taken less time to model because of how similar he looks like Ness. This also would make sense because Magicant is being introduced into the series as a stage.

of course, i may just a biased earthbound fan so that could be it too


Do I even have to say I agree?

Okay, I f*** agree 500%. I haven't talked about it much at all in this topic, but I was really hoping for another Mother character, especially with Lucas' removal.It is cool that Lucas' moveset is still represented through Ness' custom moves, and i'm so excited to see Magicant. Apparently it shows Ness and Ninten's memories, and it's really sad ;_; I wonder what other new representations there are for the Mother series. I can't wait to play as Ness and see how they changed him.

Ninten really could/should at least be an alternate color for Ness. They would have a similar move set anyway.

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:47 pm
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Ness_Success wrote:
I don't know what that is, but I don't see how comparing two different games(?) is relevant.
of course if something helps support my argument, it's irrelevant

I forgot how internet debates worked

soulcalbur ii handled clones way better than smash ever did
smash should be like soulcalibur ii in that respect

instead of acting like WOW IT'S A NEW CHARACTER

when no
it isn't

and anyone who thinks dark pit is a different character? go on, keep drinking that kool-aid
f*** enabler


Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:09 pm
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The kool-aid tastes great, thanks for reminding me I had some! Dark Pit IS a different character. You'd know that if you had read any of our responses and explanations. Do some research yourself instead of having us repeat ourselves.

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Juck wrote:
Ness_Success wrote:
I don't know what that is, but I don't see how comparing two different games(?) is relevant.
of course if something helps support my argument, it's irrelevant

I forgot how internet debates worked

soulcalbur ii handled clones way better than smash ever did
smash should be like soulcalibur ii in that respect

instead of acting like WOW IT'S A NEW CHARACTER

when no
it isn't

and anyone who thinks dark pit is a different character? go on, keep drinking that kool-aid
f*** enabler

what exactly is comparable between soulcalibur 2 and super smash bros. 4?

besides the fact that they're both video games

and the fact that both have Link in them


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kyuubutt wrote:
what exactly is comparable between soulcalibur 2 and super smash bros. 4?

besides the fact that they're both video games

and the fact that both have Link in them
soulcalibur ii treated the clone characters as generic RPG style enemies; they weren't supposed to have their own personality or whatever else
that makes it okay

smash doesn't do that

smash should do that

or better yet: don't have clones at all


Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:17 pm
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So you're saying:
Clones should be the EXACT same as their counterpart or not at all. Yeah. Okay.
The whole point of having clones is to have something DIFFERENT as another option if you don't like one, try the other.

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mightyXtreme wrote:
So you're saying:
Clones should be the EXACT same as their counterpart or not at all. Yeah. Okay.
The whole point of having clones is to have something DIFFERENT as another option if you don't like one, try the other.
that's actually not the point at all but okay lmao

the point of having clones is because the developers are lazy c*** who don't give a s***
that's why there's clones
that's right


Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:20 pm
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Wait how do you blame Smash that clones have personalities? The personality is from the source material

They are clones because time restraints, it is either have 3 clones or have nothing

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Juck wrote:
the point of having clones is because the developers are lazy c*** who don't give a s***
that's why there's clones
that's right

not exactly

the clone characters took a bare minimum of effort, yeah

but that's still some effort

if they were really that lazy, there wouldn't be any clones at all

there'd just be no character there instead

i don't see what about this is hard to comprehend


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MetaGabo wrote:
Wait how do you blame Smash that clones have personalities? The personality is from the source material

They are clones because time restraints, it is either have 3 clones or have nothing
i'll take nothing thank you
kyuubutt wrote:
not exactly

the clone characters took a bare minimum of effort, yeah

but that's still some effort

if they were really that lazy, there wouldn't be any clones at all

there'd just be no character there instead

i don't see what about this is hard to comprehend
except that's dumb and not true at all

have you ever had a job in your life
do you know how they work


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Juck wrote:
MetaGabo wrote:
Wait how do you blame Smash that clones have personalities? The personality is from the source material

They are clones because time restraints, it is either have 3 clones or have nothing
i'll take nothing thank you

lel

baby whining about free extra characters

cry more, baby


Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:24 pm
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And there we have it. Case closed. this man would rather have less content than more content. Let's move on.

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kyuubutt wrote:
lel

baby whining about free extra characters

cry more, baby
clones aren't extra characters

they're skins

next you'll be telling me mega man was in mvc3 because zero had a mega man costume
mightyXtreme wrote:
And there we have it. Case closed. this man would rather have less content than more content. Let's move on.
quality over quantity


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They are extra skins then. Extra content, so that makes them less lazy, they do extra things

Also you have the same quality in the non-clone characters, so it is quality and quantity

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:26 pm
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Alt skins and clones are not the same. If you'd read what Sakurai had to say about Lucina: "However, if a character has even a slight difference in their attributes, they are granted their own character slot."
Alt skin is exactly the same character. See Wii Fit Trainer.
Clone is the same source material, with different attributes to make them feel/play differently. See: Lucina.

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