For that to happen, we would need a single really good modpack that 9b fans adopt, but I see your point. Legitimizing mods and encouraging balance packs would indeed harm the community. Still though, a statement of some sort crushing the futile hopes of 9b fans needs to happen.

Alright here's the s*** I promised in the OP and never got to put in:
- replays(not all of them, just since my comp's last system reset, which is still quite a bit):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gwc6n4gi6bewt ... s.zip?dl=0

Also I feel like no one is going to pay attention to the new user/alt s*** lmao. Everybody says there's an issue of not including new users, but I could probably log back into discord at the moment and literally see 3 people being accused of being alts right now. Stop all that s*** if you guys want to actually progress.
If you guys want to actually stop this (competitive) community from slowly going down in activity and userbase, then you should probably take care of the new userbase.




You might actually wanna read my post next time lmao, idk where I mentioned the devs in a bad light, but then again I don't seem to be a 7k posts forum expert like you so what do I know.

That's all. Pce.

Lmao when the site mod is the one being a toxic f***

I think the best way for us to deal with the alting is to not accuse anyone of being an alt until there is 100% absolute proof to where it is an alt without a shadow of doubt. People are too quick to call someone an alt and even if someone is most likely an alt we should only play the "you're an alt" card when it is absolutely certain that it is one. Imo best way to deal with this is that if someone were to blatantly accuse someone of alting in a tourney and it turned out to be a false accusation that person who makes the accusation does not recieve any FCR points. This would make it so that people wont be too hasty when calling someone an alt.

Also facts on the fake humble s*** part, I agree 100% with you. It's hilarious how so many top-players do it too.

Let me start by saying perhaps the sentiment here is lost when the person posting this literally made a modpack to "undo the 'bad decisions' the developers have done"


Ugh.


No it's f*** not. Stop s***.

This is just a PC way to continue to rose-colored-glasses 9b. The 9b sympathizers are on a f*** crusade (pun intended). Realize what it is that you're in favor of besides stopping the evolution of this game into something palatable and competitive.

9b had:
- No reason to shield. Shields were useless because nothing had landlag. If you tried to shield you'd notice that they lowkey were overpowered if any of the moves had landlag.
- No need for any kind of neutral, meta was dash nair.
- No kind of punish game because startup/landlag/endlag were not balanced in any way.
- Freeform combos, sure... at the expense of everything in the game being unpunishable.
- No landing lag on anything.
- Autocanceled aerials had less landlag than just jumping and landing.
- P2, P3, and P4 had shields that were frame 4. P1 was frame 3.
- Unlimited buffering.... for moves buffered ONLY WITH A DIFFERENT BUTTON. You could not buffer a nair out of a nair, or a fair out of a nair, or a usmash out of a dair, unless you used Z for one of the attacks. This means buffering specials out of specials is impossible. How does that make any sense? It doesn't.
- Worse netcode.
- Memory leaking over time.
- No 1P modes.
- Less characters, less stages.
- OK balancing, but a pretty radical power delta when you get to low tiers and top tiers.
- Port, too.

The next patch of Beta, and overall Beta has:
- A recalculated shield formula so you have to be wise about shielding.
- A need for actual neutral (this may alienate some 9b players that were actually trash at the game but were carried by the lack of need for neutral)
- A need for an actual punish game (again, alienating 9b players bad habits because now you can't just throw stuff out)
- Freeform combos, slightly limited by aerials actually having landlag. (boo hoo)
- Actual landing lag, but still low enough to allow for the freeform combos mentioned before. Including recoveries, to make gimps more viable.
- Autocanceled aerials have landing lag again.
- P1, P2, P3, P4 all have identical shields and they're frame 2 not frame 3.
- Limited-time buffering - which, mind you, matches the official titles - that does not discriminate based off of the button used to execute.
- Better netcode.
- No more memory leaking over time.
- Actual single player content.
- More content overall from a stages/characters perspective.
- Much better balancing overall, including the Tails blunder look at the rest of the cast; everyone is viable. Tails is fixed next patch too.
- Oh, did I mention Port is gone?

Listen close because I'm tired of repeating myself.
We are not going to revert anything back to 9b. It is not happening.
Just because we don't want our game to be buttscooting and nairplaning across the stage spamming lagless aerials and then buttscooting back, rinse repeat until you get a hit in, doesn't mean our game is inherently bad. You need to address your bad habits. The development team is not going to adjust the game to cover your bad habits. We will, however, adapt and expand the game over time. If you can come up with a good case of constructive feedback for a design decision we can talk about it. I have always been open to talking things out. But I am not fond of people giving unconstructive feedback, and I am not fond of people saying 9b was better. It wasn't.


Was my Mac video not a good enough public statement? I can make another one if you think I need to.


No.

You don't realize the kind of damage that mods/mod packs bring.

Scenario 1: If a mod pack actually were to be good enough to get massively popular, whatever players that play the mod pack are players taken away from the core game.

Scenario 2: The more documented the games' internals are, due to it being a Flash game, the more likely it is that someone can take our engine and put their own characters in and then sell it, profiting off of our hard work. There is no way for us to stop them because this game cannot be copywritten as it is a fangame.

Scenario 3: Sites like kbhgames use your guides to know how to edit the game's internals to be able to rip the security off of the game and host it on their own site behind paywalls/forced ads/shady redirect ads/etc. profiting off of our hard work and putting users computers at risk.

Scenario 4: Someone releases a mod and it actually exploits vulnerabilities in Flash Player and wreaks havoc on your computer, damaging our reputation because the executable that ran the malicious code is actually our game. We could be flagged by antiviruses or sued unless we try to patch vulnerabilities in the game ourselves. Which we cannot do.

Scenario 5: Whatever mods are created fall under the legal jurisdiction as a derivative work of the title as well, so if some company sees you're making a mod of our game that the owner of the IP doesn't like, especially if some of their IP is already in the core game, they can't just take the mod down they have to do C&D for both or else they aren't considered to be protecting their IP.

I can go on. Obviously as a lot of the developers have come from an official title modding background we see/know that mods can be fun, but the game has to be designed with security in mind if we're going to officially support that, and some files have to be able to be off limits. We don't have the means to do that 10 years into this project, I don't think, but as we said ages ago we're always looking into new things to add to SSF2 and that could be one of them if it ends up being possible.

In the meantime, you can do whatever you want with your copy of SSF2 but our fight against the crooks that use your tools for bad things will catch you in the crossfire. That's just how it is.


People get banned for trolling. Foxx was trolling. He is known to do so. We don't tolerate months of foolishness like SSF2U does, we ban cancer.

Refurin told Foxx to stop, repedately and he continued for a literal hour. MG Discord has to be friendly and welcoming to newcomers and promote discussion, when someone is trolling it disrupts what the Discord stands for, and obviously there will be repercussions.

Also. You said it yourself.




Follow suit? MG Official launched with this rule. But you insinuate that SSF2U is part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Weird.

Actually, I repeatedly worded it as "decisions I disagree with" and I gave up on it to give Beta another chance, because the community's falling apart and I wanna do my part to help it not fall apart.



I didn't say it was a bad thing. Hell, I specifically stated that it would lead to an overall smarter meta. Still though, the emphasis on shield and grab's overall power in the neutral is reminiscent of that of Smash 4. Saying it's a "PC way to continue to rose-colored-glasses 9b" is like saying that Sm4sh requires less techskill than Melee is a PC way to rose-colored-glasses Melee. Some see a techskill barrier as a good thing, others (such as myself) do not.



-It was stupidly aggro and I, along with many others, enjoy stupidly aggro. Was it stupid? Yes. Do we still like it? Yes.
-Shield frame data difference was stupid, but it didn't affect the meta anywhere near the extent to which Transcendency and Port have in Beta.
-Buffering was hella janky, but at least you could buffer jumps consistently, and good movement is arguably leagues more important in a video game that the inconveniences caused by 9b's buffering system.
-Memory leaking exists in Beta .3.2 as well, rendering the more fun 1P modes (cruel smash, classic mode) useless.
-Port affects .3.2 more than it did 9b, as 9b had a clanking system that, despite not working as intended, still at least did something.



Actually, this post you made is a perfect public statement. If you could put this bit in Official, it'd be even better.



Wow. Never thought of it that way. You're right, I legitimately didn't realize the damage mods/modpacks bring. Thanks for explaining that to me. I'll keep that in mind from here on out.



He still got banned for his opinions and my point still stands. I'm all for a merge if nobody gets banned for their opinions in the future.



No duh Official came up with this rule. That's why I thought of even making a rule in SSF2U to try to fix it.. Hell, at the moment, SSF2U is more than just part of the problem. It's the center of the problem. That's why I think making a rule against crying alt in SSF2U is such a good idea. The community, at the moment, is pretty split (people either respect SSF2U or they respect Official. There's very little in between). If it becomes a rule in SSF2U, people on the "f*** Official" side of the community will hopefully stop.

Foxx always showed up to stir drama whilst being an ignorant c*** in general. This was nearly a daily thing. Probably was a daily thing.
They've also been kicked and temporarily banned for such behavior in the past. He's purely toxic. Please do not say we banned him for his opinion because that is certainly not the case.

And again, like you said,

Rule 15 exists and was strictly enforced during the time of its creation. For those of you who don't know, rule 15 says "9b cancer is better left in Flash Nation." This was back when Flash Nation was alive.
Y'all still have, in the past, silenced or attempted to silence people for their opinions.
My point still stands.

Repeating yourself doesn't make yourself right tho. Again, you recognized that he was trolling and posted the message "he's actively trying to get banned at this point". If we banned people for their opinions would you not have been banned for your joke about ROA? Would he not have been banned an hour sooner instead of refurin actually talking to him the entire time trying to coax actual feedback from him? He knew what he was doing and so do you. Don't paint him as a martyr. That's s*** and you know it.

9b cancer is disruptive and elitist, it's yet another way to discredit "beta kiddies" aka new players. You can discuss 9b still, and you still can give constructive feedback (check the character chats for tons of examples of people doing that).

Our goal is and will always be to make an environment that welcomes newcomers and encourages constructive discussion. 9b cancer is cancer, and unlike ssf2u and fn we draw the line where the line needs to be drawn.

LUKE WITH THE 2015 MAC THROW LMAO


Nah but deadass b lmao you cant sit there and act like the community is all fine and dandy now after after all the s*** thats been going on for the past 3 years after it. I'm glad to see that everyone is actually against you in this aspect, bc if this was 2015, your dick would've been ridden to the 6.
We arent the same as we used to be, there ARE problems, and for you to dismiss that shows that youve been out of the loop for a good a** 2 years. 99.9% of the community has gave up or forgotten what monte has done in aspects, and he has even given back to the community as he was still banned. So please kindly,

go somewhere else my n**** lmao

didn't see this till now but damn, u p much just defined the community right there. mad respect and hope we still keep in touch my guy, ill be pushing fox for u mom