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MG Mafia XVI: Breaking Bad Mafia (Game Over) 
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I think he was looking for reasoning rather than "do you suspect him yes or no", but idk I'm not defending him.

Becuase he has given 1% reasoning 99% laughs so far


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Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:21 pm
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DJ Wizard Cop: 4/10
DJ starts most of his games pretty similarly, so I'm not going convince myself early on that he looks town-like. I'm gonna keep him at null and watch a bit more. Though in the past when he has accused me of being scum he's turned out town I believe, so I'm leaning a tad bit more in that direction, but not by much.


IDK why, but the bolded part just seems really Town-Sided; there's something objective and stuff about it.
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IDK why, but that bI'm not falling for Terra's "Town read" in 15 again.

ob·jec·tive
/əbˈjektiv/
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(of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Geno is using Meta to say "From my experience he's done this thing in the past, therefore it's likely he's doing the same thing."
Meta isn't objective at all, and is based solely on Geno's personal conclusions.

Using the Genometer, reads currently would be

5/10 King Arthur Null. I'm leaning towards town, but I'm not sure.
2.5/10 Nixter Strong town read
3/10 194 Some sillyness with Pachino, (Pachino was demonstrating activity, why policy lynch him?) but other than that town.
3/10 Dr. Geno Apart from the illogical posts at the beginning, he's improved and is now contributing very well.
7/10 Lucina Really don't like his inactivity, I know it's part if his playstyle but it's gone on too long now. He's just popped in recently but just echoed 194's sentiments.
5/10 Brikawaiidesunoweabo Overall not enough posts to make a read on him.
5/10 JamesClyde Wait this guy exists. Recursive reasoning in his posts against Geno, other than that there's nothing.
?/10 UltimateZendayaFan On the scumdar? 2/10. On the logical reasoning meter? 7/10.
4/10. Pachino I like his posts, general town vibe.
11. 135 Rating pending his response to this post.
12. Mr. Shoop Similar to Pachino, but with a bit less forward momentum.
13. Wizzquizz Time he started posting. You've got about 15 pages of gameplay to analyze. Surely you can give us some reads at least?

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Ehhhh

Sorry guys, but I guess I was too inactive. :P Let me post my reads. Also, Geno's no longer on my scum list. He's been actively trying to help the town, as I can see.
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8/10 UltimateZendayaFan: Quickly jumped out of the Geno wagon without much reasoning, right after he made a case against Geno about his 'awkward defense'. Also has posted the town reads of other people to be town, but as soon as I stopped posting for a while, moved me from his town list to null. Also has been overreacting a lot under little to no pressure. Has given empty threats to Geno to try and get Geno lynched, though that failed. Uses false evidence as well.
3.5/10 Geno: Has been trying to help the town ever since my post, and has contributed a lot to the community. Provides reasonable arguments.
Everyone else is Null.

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On the Scumdar? 2/10. On logical reasoning? 7/10


Care to tell me what this means?

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UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
DJ Wizard Cop wrote:
On the Scumdar? 2/10. On logical reasoning? 7/10


Care to tell me what this means?

means he thinks you're town but at the same time stupid

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JC is now using my case against Geno against me? interesting.

Pre-Edit: Damnit. Once again the VI. whatever, I don't really care.

JC, what "false reasoning" have I given? Explain in detail.

Not gonna change my vote, but Geno is still gaining town points slowly from me. Geno, convince me once and for all. Tell me, what do DJ and JC not have in common?

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One lives in America and one doesn't idk

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No, DJ is actually making a little sense. JC isn't.

not liking JC's last post. How can everyone else be null? at this point even I have full reads on everyone but wizzquiz, I just haven't had time to post them.

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UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
No, DJ is actually making a little sense. JC isn't.

not liking JC's last post. How can everyone else be null? at this point even I have full reads on everyone but wizzquiz, I just haven't had time to post them.


in my book, not posting your reads but saying you have them is equally trustworthy as having everyone in null.

Also, Axel, Day 1 is really unsure for reads, so it is possible to have a ton of null reads.

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Like I said: I just haven't had time.

Town: Brik, likely DJ, Arthur
Null/Townish: 194, 135
Null: JamesClyde, Nixter, Pachino
Sorta/Scummy: Geno
Total Scum: none yet.

If I forgot your name, your null

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UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
JC is now using my case against Geno against me? interesting.

Pre-Edit: Damnit. Once again the VI. whatever, I don't really care.

JC, what "false reasoning" have I given? Explain in detail.

Not gonna change my vote, but Geno is still gaining town points slowly from me. Geno, convince me once and for all. Tell me, what do DJ and JC not have in common?

Let me explain. As I recall, you said this:

UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
my case against Geno is his awkward defense when no one has actually called him scum just yet.


Firstly, just because someone doesn't call another person scum doesn't mean he doesn't think he's scummy. Someone can think someone is scummy, even if he didn't call him scum. Without evidence, it would just be false logic saying that someone is scum. Instead, you should probably say that they seem scummy. Geno's 'defense' was alright, I guess, but many votes were on him and he was called scummy, so he was obviously under a lot of pressure. Still, that doesn't mean that his defense was awkward, nor does it mean that just because no one called him scum, he's not counted as scummy.

You also use empty threats in your arguments:
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That's it, go to your room!

Vote: Geno

You are one scummy post away from me concrete voting you Geno. What say ye to that?

Do you really think that will do the town any good? Or that the threat will actually work? In reality, you look much scummier than Geno, and probably no one will join your bandwagon against someone who has proved himself to be helpful to the town. That empty threat just made you look scummier on my list.

You also seem to give false evidence:
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Why is he scum? Because TOWK gave him a scum role, and the pm is sitting in his inbox right now.

You wouldn't know. Obviously. And if you say that was meant for the effect, the only real effect it gave was that you were desperately trying to get Geno lynched, resorting even to use of false evidence to exaggerate your point.

He was also more helpful to the town than you were. All you seemed to do for most of your posts was try and get Geno lynched, which to me, doesn't seem like a town move. And you're off giving empty threats again.
UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
One more thing, I swear I will concrete vote...


Also, Geno gave good replies to most of your arguments, while, as Geno said, you tried to convince yourself that he was scum.

If you'd like me to quote more, please ask. Anyway, I'm moving on. Also, to adress this post:
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Geno is still gaining town points slowly from me. Geno, convince me once and for all.

You seem quick to change your read on Geno, even after the myriads of information you posted against Geno either saying that he was scum, is scummy, he was overreacting, and stuff like that. I think you stated that because you knew that if you attacked Geno more, you would most probably be lynched.
UltimateZendayaFan wrote:
No, DJ is actually making a little sense. JC isn't.

not liking JC's last post. How can everyone else be null? at this point even I have full reads on everyone but wizzquiz, I just haven't had time to post them.

I believe 194 read my mind. It's very possible to have a lot of null reads on Day 1, mainly because you cannot gather much evidence and not enough pressure is on everyone to gather stable reads.

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Except I'm not scum. Therefore your argument is invalid.

Unvote.

Not sure who's the best option today. Ima try to stay in the shadows for a few, see what happens, and see who incriminates who.

In other words, I'm going V/LA until Wednesday because my brother from Chicago is visiting and I won't have Internet.

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One last thing, I realize I have been anti town, and I apologize. Arthur's right, I did have a bias against Geno. And I apologize not only to him, but to everyone else. I'm not gonna replace out, I'm just gonna say sorry and move on with the real game.

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