Rayman (recently appeared in Rayman Origins for 3ds and wii and Rayman legends for wiiU)

would use either the custom sprites also used in smash bros crusade or Rayman Raving Rabbids gba sprites or even the sprites from the original rayman game on psx, jaguar, dsi etc.

his taunt would be his grimace

Neutrals:

Jab: 3 hit punch combo with the 3rd one being the most powerful
Ftilt: a simple kick
Utilt: uppercut
Dtilt: sweep kick that sends opponents airborne so Rayman can combo out of that move
Upsmash: uppercut with charge and further range than Utilt
Fsmash: Rayman shoots one of his Lum projectiles (seen in Rayman 2 and Raving rabbids ds) this attack gets bigger knockback,range, and hit a bigger hitbox when charged (there are 3 levels: white, blue and yellow)
Dsmash: Rayman places his hands on the ground and sends both his feet flying in both directions. anyone hit is knocked into the air
Dash Attack: Rayman tornado from the origins and legends games

Aerials:

Nair: a basic kick
Bair: a backwards kick
Dair: a ground pound from the origins and legends games
Fair: Rayman uses both his hands to attack. he throws and overhead punch. this attack is a meteor smash when sweetspotted (think mario but a little more powerful with more recovery)
Uair: an upwards kick with huge range but a laughable amount of damage

Specials:

Neutral Special: Rayman wind up fist (think donkey kong's neutral special but with more range)
Side Special: Rayman's Lockjaw attack (grabs enemies from far range and pulls them closer and deals minor damage)
Down Special: Rotating blade hair (Rayman activates his helicopter hair while standing on the ground this attack is aimable and deals great damage on hit but also has this air current thing that pushes other players away from him going on so it's fairly hard to pull off. this would combo really well with his side special)
Up Special: Rayman helicopter (basically the same as pit's recovery in brawl but his hair turns into a helicopter that makes him fly and you can control him while he does so)

Throws:

Grab: Rayman throws one of his hands away to grab people (hilarious long range grab but balanced out by fairly weak throws)
Pummel: Rayman kicks the caught opponent
Fthrow: Rayman kicks the opponent away like you would with a football
Bthrow: Rayman spins around and throws the opponent (think Mario's backthrow)
Dthrow: Rayman slam dunks his enemy on the ground and slams both fist down at the opponent sending him flying
Upthrow: Rayman throws his opponent up into the air and catches it in his helicopter hair. this doesn't do to much damage but the knockback is quite high due to his hair blowing the air upwards

FINAL SMASH: Mosquito ride
Rayman whistles to call in Mosquito and jumps on his back to be able to shoot projectiles for a limited time with the A button (regular attacks and smashes.
The B button is used to suck up opponents like Kirby (only one opponent at a time) and shoot them back out out other opponents with the A button dealing great damage to both the bullet and the target.
While on Mosquito, Rayman is invincible. (kinda like Yoshi's Final smash)

How long would the neutral take to be fully charged? Since the move has armor it might be a bit tricky getting through.


...I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Granted if you are, then it's pretty creative and would be hilarious to see.


So would Rrayman be a rush-in character, a spacing character, or just balance?

I think he's a bit of a blanced character with quite a lot of spacing moves but can aslo put out enough damage up close to be able to rush in like he can in his games

Barbie, Its a dying franchise, but I think Barbie would be considered 4th party. Other than that, a little bit more recognition would be good for the poor girl.

Since Shadow's gameplay seems pretty self-evident and no questions have been raised (I like that though, asking questions about their idea), I will move on to the next character.
I will be editing this post immediately, I'm just getting this down so no one steals it

BANJO-KAZOOIE (from the N64)
The thing I was thinking about was whether or not Banjo and Kazooie should be separate characters... Whats here is if they were one unit. Don't be afraid to give me suggestions/revisions even though I came up with everything, I'm totally open to change.
Neutrals:

Jab1: Banjo swings his right arm out (Claw Swipe)
Jab2: Banjo steps forward while swinging his left arm out (Claw Swipe)
Jab3: Banjo steps forward while swinging his right arm out (Claw Swipe)
Dash Attack: Banjo curls into a ball and rolls briefly (Forward Roll)
Ftilt: Kazooie swings out with her wings, hitting multiple times (Wing Whack)
Utilt: Kazooie lunges out and pecks the area in front and above Banjo three times, each peck moving Banjo slightly forward. (Peck)
Dtilt: Kazooie reaches out of the bag and pokes an area low in front of Banjo. This attack sends at a low trajectory. (Beak Barge)
Fsmash: Banjo hoists Kazooie up by the legs, and smashes her down in front of him. This move has lots of endlag. (Breegull Bash)
Upsmash: Banjo and Kazooie do a low backflip. (Flap Flip)
Dsmash: Banjo swings his backpack around in a circle, hitting in front first then behind him. (Pack Whack)

Aerials:

Nair: Kazooie flaps her wings trying to fly, hitting nearby enemies with her wings. This move also slows Banjo and Kazooie's falling speed, but they are quite vulnerable during this move. (Feathery Flap)
Fair: Kazooie reaches out and pecks three times in front of Banjo. (Rat-a-tat Rap)
Bair: Kazooie reaches out behind Banjo with a single peck. (Peck Sideways)
Dair: A stall-then-fall move. Banjo curls into a ball and drops, meteor smashing opponents directly beneath him and otherwise knocking them back. This move also has landing hitboxes. If the attack button is held through the stalling animation, Kazooie pops out, the stalling is extended briefly while Banjo and Kazooie spin midair, and then they both drop downward. This variation not only has a larger meteor hitbox, but when hitting the ground it has multiple hitboxes while Kazooie drills the ground. This version is higher risk, higher reward. (Beak Buster; Bill Drill)
Uair: Similar to their bair, Kazooie reaches out and pokes above Banjo. (Peck Sideways, but upwards ofc)

Specials:

N-spec: Kazooie fires an egg out of her backside, sending it on an upward trajectory without much speed, causing it to not travel very far. It bounces when it hits the ground, and is treated as a projectile. This ability also follows with the extra types of eggs: High chance of getting Blue, Low chance of getting fire (extra damage) and ice (freezes based on percent), and a VERY low chance of getting grenade eggs (which have significantly higher knockback) or the Clockwork egg (which spawns a robotic Kazooie that chases an opponent and blows up on contact, while it also explodes after a timer). (Bounce Eggs)
D-spec: Banjo pulls Kazooie out from his backpack into the Breegull Blaster position and then immediately swings Kazooie in front of him. Then he puts Kazooie back into his backpack. (Beak Bayonet)
S-spec: Kazooie fires an egg in front of her, where it flies on a horizontal trajectory and disappears after a certain time. This move also shares the same statistics for egg spawn rates compared to their D-spec. (Fire Eggs)
Up spec: A flight pad materializes underneath Banjo and Kazooie, which they use to leap high into the air. Two feathers appear as a HUD element above the pair. After reaching the apex of their jump they transition into a slow glide. If you press the neutral button (A) then you expend one feather to gain a little extra height. Pressing the special button makes the duo lunge forward like a missile at the cost of 2 feathers. If this move hits a wall the duo falls into helpless, although this move can grab edges. if this move hits the ground at any point (any point during the upb) Banjo and Kazooie are put into a lot of endlag. If you run out of feathers (after 2 jumps or using the Beak Buster) you go into helpless. You cannot control your horizontal speed, although you can turn around (albeit very slowly). (Flight)

Grabs:

Grab: Banjo reaches out to grab his opponent in a bear hug.
Pummel: Kazooie pecks the grabbed victim.
Fthrow: Banjo leans back and punches his victim away.
Bthrow: Banjo simply twirls and throws his victim behind him.
Dthrow: Banjo and Kazooie ground pound their victim, sending them up and away.
Upthrow: Banjo tosses the victim up so that Kazooie can poke them, sending them upward.

Taunts: The first time a taunt is used in a battle, Kazooie will appear in a textbox at the bottom of the screen. What she says is determined by her opponent, and in the case of multiple combatants she randomly picks one to joke at.

Taunt1: Banjo and Kazooie pull out their namesake instruments and play a part of their main theme.
Taunt2: Kazooie leaps out of the bag while Banjo takes a snooze. Kazooie pokes Banjo and wakes him up.
Taunt3: Banjo and Kazooie collect a jinjo.

FINAL SMASH:
The Mighty Jinjonator!

Thanks. Glad that you like the idea of questioning other about how their moveset would work. Though it seems no one has been really doing it. Can't wait to see Banjo-Kazooie!

On an other note, on Friday I'm going to post a grade (A, B, C, D, or F) on the likely-hood of the characters presented could be in SSF2. I'll provide pros and cons on why I came to those conclusions. You are happy to fight for your side.

I have a question. Why no joke characters? Jigglypuff was initially a joke character. So why not?

Someone speculated Muslim Sonic, if that isn't a joke then I don't know what is

But I think he wants it to stay more serious so that this thread doesn;t get trolled/spammed/derailed, which I totally agree with.

I understand that over the top characters(like Muslim sonic) shouldn't be allowed, but I'm talking about clearly unrealistic characters put here just for fun.

I should have been more clear on this. Personally I'm totally okay with joke character. I'm actually one of the few who would like to see Slippy enter Smash.

Cleod9 (he doesn't need a game, he can do what he wants )

Jab1: Punch.
Jab2: Another Punch.
Jab3: Back-hand slap.
Dash Attack: Tackle (like Snake in Brawl)

Forward Smash: A heavy punch, and if the punch hits, the MG logo flashes instead of the usual hit effects.
Down Smash: Stomps on the ground, and some C++ code rises from the floor. The code stuns people. The closer an opponent is, the longer they are stunned.
Up Smash: Spinning uppercut.

Forward tilt: Swings with a computer keyboard.
Down tilt: Small kick.
Up tilt: swings computer mouse over his head like a cowboy would with a rope.

Neutral Special: Throws razor blades shaped like the MG logo.
Side Special: Reflector shield shaped like the MG logo.
Down Special: Counter
Up Special: Frantically flaps arms like a bird, slowly flying upwards for 3 seconds.

Final Smash: The lenses of his glasses shine, which causes a faint line to appear similar to Black Mage's Haste attack. Any foe trapped in the line is pulled into the attack, which is a cinematic one. The screen changes to the trapped opponents in a dimension made of nothing but darkness. From different angles, all the devs swoosh by, attacking the opponents in different ways. Cleod is the final attacker. Instant kill to any opponents trapped. (Based off of the Knights of the Round summon in Final Fantasy 7)

[box=] Luffy's Moveset

Game:Jump Superstars

Note: Due to Luffys stretching abilities, some attacks have a "Direct Contact" damage ratio. This works similar to the tip of Marth's sword. Hits with the knuckles, palm or foot(heel, bottom, and toes for "speer") cause increase damage and knockback, and in some cases meteor smashes

Smash Attacks

Basic Combo
-Jab
Range- low
Damage- 3%
Knockback- none
Speed- Medium

-2nd Jab
Range- low
Damage- 3%
Knockback- none
Speed- medium

-Gum Gum Gatling
Range- medium
Damage- 5% per hit
Direct Contact- 7%
Knockback- low
Speed- medium

Side Smash
-Gum Gum Pistol
Range- medium to high
Damage- 10%-17%
Direct Contact- 14%-22%
Knockback- medium to high
Speed- medium
Chargeable- Increasing range, damage, and Knockback

Down Smash
-Gum Gum Whip
Range- low
Damage- 5%-15%
Direct Contact- 8%-18%
Knockback- low
Speed- medium
Chargeable- Increasing damage and Knockback
Note: Hitting in front and then behind, Direct Contact launches opponents in the direction hit in with higher knockback

Up Smash
-Gum Gum Volcano
Range- medium
Damage- 11%
Direct Contact- 15%
Knockback- medium
Speed- low
Note: has slight end lag

Up Tilt
-Gum Gum Bell
Range- Low
Damage- 1st-8% 2nd-10%
Direct Contact- 1st-10% 2nd 12%
Knockback- medium
Speed- high
Note:Hitting above and behind then swinging back to hit above and forward. Hitting Direct Contact with the back of Luffy's head has low knockback, Direct Contact with Luffy's forehead(during the second hit) hooks the opponent(s) throwing them forward

Side Tilt
-Gum Gum Shotgun
Range- Medium
Damage- 8% per hit
Direct Contact- 11% per hit
Knockback- medium
Speed- low-medium

Down Tilt
-Gum Gum Stamp
Range- low
Damage- 9%
Direct Contact- 13%
Knockback- low
Speed- medium
Note: Buries opponents, meteor smashes opponents in air

Dash Attack
-Gum Gum Sickle
Range- High
Damage- 7%
Direct Contact- 10%
Knockback- low-medium
Speed- high
Note: Direct Contact with Luffy's fist also increases knockback, has slight end lag

Specials

Neutral Special
-2nd Gear
Note: increases speed and all attacks do 5% more damage. has a limit similar to final forms
Chargeableknockback -10sec charge before being active, can tap directional buttons to roll out but cancels charge

Side Special
-Gum Gum Bazooka
Range- medium
Damage- 14%
Direct Contact- 18%
Knockback- medium-high
Speed- medium

Down Special
-Gum Gum Balloon
Note: Reflects projectiles and does reflect damage for melee attacks, has a 3 second llimit, has some end lag

Up Special
-Gum Gum Storm
Range- high
Damage- 10%-23% if all attacks hit
Direct Contact- 15%-28% if all attacks hit
Knockback- Medium
Speed- medium (launch)-high(attack)
Note: Luffy falls helplessly after attack, Luffy can grab ledges

Air Attacks

Neutral Air
-Gum Gum Fireworks
Range- medium
Damage- 8% per hit
Direct Contact- 12% per hit
Knockback- low
Speed- medium
Note: Luffy remains still while using this move, has slight end lag

Forward Air
-Gum Gum Battle Axe
Range- low-medium
Damage- 14%-16%
Direct Contact- 18%-20%
Knockback- high
Speed- medium
Note: Meteor smashes if hit by the heel or bottom of Luffy's foot. Does 2% more damage if hits the stage

Back Air
-Gum Gum Whip
Range- medium
Damage- 6%
Direct Contact- 12%
Knockback- low-medium
Speed- high

Down Air
-Gum Gum Spear
Range- Medium
Damage- 8%
Direct Contact- 14%
Knockback- medium
Speed- low
Note: meteor smashes if hit directly with Luffy's toes

Up Air
-Gum Gum Rocket
Range- medium-high
Damage- 14%
Direct Contact- 17%
Knockback- medium
Speed- low(charge up)-high
Note: aimable, Direct Contact with Luffy's forehead causes higher knockback, Luffy grabs an opponent or the stage to shoot himself in the desired direction of he fails to grab anything he suffers from end lag, grabbing an opponent guarantees a "Direct Contact" hit, has end lag [/box]

I don't want this thread to die ;_; These are all great ideas (except for the first one lol).

Newcomer: Black Belt (FF1, SNES. Will update with this immediately, or at least will keep the edit page open).
Honestly, I'd give BB a C+ or a B- at best. Out of the original classes (excluding Black Mage, of course), I could only see Red Mage and Black Belt be playable characters. White Mage doesn't fit well into a fighting game, Warrior is so generic, and not only are the Thief's stats and equipment choices outclassed by someone in the original, but his primary strength is his ability to RUN AWAY. At least Red Mage was an obvious jack-of-all-trades so he has variety in his moveset, and BB can use martial arts weapons and has incredible CQB, he is stronger without weapons

Neutrals:

Jab: A quick jab. Can jab reset.
Jab2: A right cross.
Jab3: An uppercut.
Dash Attack: Black Belt slides forward while punching.
Ftilt: BB does a front kick. Primarily a spacing move.
Dtilt: BB does a leg height roundhouse kick. Low angle trajectory.
Utilt: BB does an axe kick.
Fsmash: BB leans back, to charge his punch (a back stance). He reaches out to punch in front of him, with a small stance shift to give extra range. An empowered punch has much greater knockback.
Dsmash: BB pulls out his bo, and swipes the ground in front of him. The KB trajectory is straight up, and by pressing the "A" button again he will do an identical swipe behind him. An empowered bo strike has different KB, the first hit sends his opponent behind him with very little KB, allowing the second hit to connect (this second hit, even by itself, has more KB than an unempowered bo strike and sends on a trajectory similar to Samus' dsmash). *You might not perform the second hit in an attempt to follow up with a different move.*
Up smash: BB performs a butterfly kick. The first hit has very little knockback, but the second hit is much stronger. An empowered butterfly kick has fire effects as well as greater damage and KB.

Aerials:

Nair: BB sticks a leg out for a side kick. This move has sex kick properties.
Fair: BB swings his Masamune horizontally in front of him (like Ichigo's fair, not Marth's)
Dair: BB kicks beneath himself (think like a side kick). This kick knocks an opponent up with a lot of hitstun, but this move has some startup lag (like Sheik's dair in Melee).
Bair: BB shoots his leg behind him in a midair back kick.
Uair: BB uses his staff to poke above him. It is long and disjointed, but it has lag while BB puts it away.

Specials:

N-spec: Meditate. Black Belt sits down and closes his eyes, controlling his breathing. When he has a full charge, he empowers his next smash or special. He can perform this move midair, and it slows his falling speed and acceleration. Using an empowered meditate is able to be held, does not provide empowerment, but allows BB to heal while he meditates.
S-spec: Nage waza (Throw Technique). BB reaches forward with both hands and grabs. This range is greater than a normal grab, has similar startup but more endlag. Upon a successful grab, he takes his opponent down to the ground. Performing this move in midair will cause BB to jump off of his opponent, sending them in the direction he is facing and he gets extra horizontal distance. An empowered throw deals extra damage in the form of a finishing strike on his downed opponent. An empowered midair throw makes BB jump off of his opponent by pushing them straight down in a meteor, while he jumps upward gaining vertical distance.
D-spec: Counter. BB feints and returns damage when attacked. An empowered counter has longer invincibility frames, as well as a proper 1.5x dmg and KB.
U-spec: Rising Double Punch. BB jumps into the air, both fists out. This move is a single hit, but does not give any horizontal. An empowered double punch has greater knockback, and BB does not go into helpless (allowing for a second u-spec) but may not use any other special.

Grabs:

Grab: BB grabs with one hand (the visual difference between this and his command grab).
Pummel: A swift knee.
Fthrow: BB pushes his opponent forward and front kicks them away.
Dthrow: BB twists his opponent around (so their back is to BB) and suplexes them.
Bthrow: BB pulls his opponent down with him, throwing them behind him with a somersault throw.
Upthrow: BB leans down to adjust his grip, throwing his opponent above and behind him.

Taunts:

Taunt1: BB performs a Hadouken motion, no projectile comes out.
Taunt2: A pile of boards appears in front of BB, which he quickly chops in half.
Taunt3: BB performs a quick flourish with his hands, and drops into a horse stance yelling a kiai.

Actually Barbie still brings in millions in profits for Mattel. Barbie is far from dying tbh, she has movies released like, every few months, A new TV show, a new Wii U game, and she has more games on Nintendo Systems than Pac-man. So I wouldn't technically call her 4th party.

EDIT: Ya I agree with the guy above me. This thread is fun! Don't let it die!