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Going by the knowledge that most smash characters don't fill in the role of background cameo and playable character at the same time (in a single version, mind you, I am aware that a couple of characters made their smash origin as background cameos in previous installements), as well as the nature of his roster spot (on which the general consensus is that it is likely the 'version exclusive mini-Link') I think it's pretty likely that Toon Link will not be returning as a playable character for the new Smash generation.

Then again you might just see that differently so to each his own.

I think he might return because of Wind Waker HD, but I can see why he wouldn't. Him showing up as a background character isn't much of an argument for him not returning, though.
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BULL s#%$&
Olimar is smaller then a gamecube disc
Sonic is far shorter then mario

Within their games, maybe. Ridley has already appeared in Smash Bros, though. He already has a canon size -within Smash Bros-. Neither Olimar or Sonic appeared in-game (read: not as a trophy) before they were playable.

This has also been said A MILLION TIMES.


It still doesn't prevent it from being changed, like how Marth's sword length decreased.

Marth's sword was a minor detail change, visually. Ridley, however, is gigantic compared to most characters, and shrinking him to the size of, let's say, Bowser would look incredibly awkward. However, given that Bowser's size has been visually "increased" from him standing upright I can imagine that they could manipulate Ridley's stance to make him look smaller without actually changing how big he is.

Also, moveset has never been a problem. Olimar is a really good example of this, considering that the only "attack" he had in Pikmin was either throwing his Pikmin at people, or a small headbutt if he couldn't do that. Yet in Brawl he has a movelist that can function without him plucking any Pikmin at all, if he so chose.


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Villager wrote:
Ok, I am gonna just gonna give up on Ridley cause he just seems to have a Master Hand Moveset problem.
Like how Master hand shouldn't be playable.
It's hard to see a moveset IMO

I was about to get into that, thanks for saving me the trouble.

Also, just for the record, "W-WELL THEY CAN CHANGE HOW BIG HE IS" is a stupid argument. By that logic, Andross from Star Fox could be playable because all they'd have to do is make him smaller.


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Andross head now size of Kirby.

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why the 3DS version has got that exagerated contorn in the chars?

well,i'm really happy to see that megaman and the villager will be in here

the main theme sucks

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Pochiman wrote:
why the 3DS version has got that exagerated contorn in the chars?

So that you can see them better
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well,i'm really happy to see that megaman and the villager will be in here

yes ^^
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the main theme sucks

Huh which main Theme?


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I think he might return because of Wind Waker HD, but I can see why he wouldn't. Him showing up as a background character isn't much of an argument for him not returning, though.

and going by the Zelda canon they are actually different Links entirely,

They do have almost the exact same moveset in brawl tho, so i hope if Toon Link really is playable that he gets a new moveset

They have some moves that are completely different from each other, mainly NAir, FAir, BAir and to a lesser extent, USmash. I know its not much, but to say its exactly the same despite this, is just wrong.

Though I would like to see a more Luigified moveset given to him if he appears again.

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Charizard is much smaller in Brawl than the size it was when it cames out a pokeball in Melee.
Link and Samus have changed heights slightly inbetween games and most people don't notice.
Project M Bowser had his size increased maintains a playable size. He's also not much smaller than Ridley's boss size. Give Ridley a slightly descale in size to be something similar and he'll be fine.
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Andross from Star Fox could be playable because all they'd have to do is make him smaller.
Andross isn't actually the size of a moon. He used his psychokinesis and technology to mutant himself and grow his size. They could easily put his normal human-like size as character and make his transformation a Final Smash.

And just like Andross, Ridley is known for being clone or mutated into different forms that vary in his sizes and his powers within the Metroid series. Two different forms of him even able in Brawl. Why can't a third, smaller form appear as a character?
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Ok, I am gonna just gonna give up on Ridley cause he just seems to have a Master Hand Moveset problem.
Like how Master hand shouldn't be playable.
It's hard to see a moveset IMO


Click to expand thumbnail But really; if Mr.Game & Watch can have a moveset, any character have a moveset. It just takes creativity.

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Zalozis Zemsis wrote:
Charizard is much smaller in Brawl than the size it was when it cames out a pokeball in Melee.

Thats not really true, its more or less the same size. If anything, Charizard actually got a little bit larger for its appearance in Brawl.

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Zalozis Zemsis wrote:
]Andross isn't actually the size of a moon. He used his psychokinesis and technology to mutant himself and grow his size. They could easily put his normal human-like size as character and make his transformation a Final Smash.

So now you're mentioning things that we never even see in-game as reasons why a character could be playable?

I'll know to ignore anything else you say about this now. Thanks.


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Steven wrote:
I would personally actually like to see them pull off a Ridley, but if they were to change his size that much it would be really inconsistant with the rest of the series.

But I believe that, regardless of the aforementioned, if Ridley has enough support, Nintendo will at least consider him and look into it.


That's exactly i think a well. And i agreed that Ridley looks weird resize IF we consider Brawl's Ridley model, based on Super Metroid Ridley, which limbs was as thin as a skeleton and a really small main body.

That's why i was thinking on Other M ridley, which has more flesh, thicker limbs, and a more large body, making him less weird resized that Brawl's ridley. If he's resized, he could be as the same size as an Alien from the "Alien" movie, which has similar anathomy, and considering that Ridley's cration was inspired by that creature (same with Ridley's name, the name of the director of Alien, but i am sure everyone knows that, hehe)

But yeah, as i said, sakurai can always touch his body and make some changes on his anatomy, like what he did with megaman, making him smaller than on his actual size, for fit with his NES sprites, and with the overall game. But it's just a personal opinion

Also guys, what do you think about My Music, do you think it will return? mostly because music has it's weight and the 3ds has it's limitations...(that same about cinematics for adventure mode on 3ds)

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Also guys, what do you think about My Music, do you think it will return? mostly because music has it's weight and the 3ds has it's limitations...(that same about cinematics for adventure mode on 3ds)


I'd assume the 3DS version will have either less songs, or different songs (the latter is much more likely since the stage roster will be different).

As for cinematics, they dont have to use those, they could have real time cutscenes instead as a workaround.

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Also guys, what do you think about My Music, do you think it will return?

Not expecting it for the 3DS.

If it's not on the Wii U, I'll be pissed. The soundtrack (which was only as big as it was because of My Music) was easily the best part of Brawl.


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But yeah, as i said, sakurai can always touch his body


Good to know your Sakurai-Ridley slashfic is still in production.

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As long as they put all of K.K.'s songs in the soundtrack this time.

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As long as they put all of K.K.'s songs in the soundtrack this time.

That's the most unreasonable request I've ever seen. I don't know if any were added in New Leaf, but City Folk had 75 songs.

Do you have any idea how data storage works? Sure, the Wii U disks are a lot bigger than the disk Brawl was on, but that's still the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time.


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