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I do believe Ness has a little advantage from Peach in general, the only place I feel that she is really better than Ness is offstage and even then Ness' Dair is a threat, Ness has a better zoning game, kill options and a easier time edge guarding Peach, still the MU is not that bad IMO 60-40 .

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IDK about that. Peach has better air mobility even with Ness's DJC and some high-priority aerials with good range, better shield pressure than Ness, and better damage output IMO.

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Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:27 pm
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Although Peach's Nair hitbox does come up faster, Ness' Fair has more range and beats Nair entirely, which is probably her best aproach against Ness, and idk about the shield pressure either I mean, all you need to do is Fair and if peach shields you grab her and Up'throw that's pretty much the worst spot she can be in that MU, do some Pkthunder cancels and bait for an air dodge or just instantly go for the most convenient aerial.

Based from my very limited knowledge~ (Peach-Ness)

Aeromobility: 65-35
Groundmobility: 25-75
Edge guarding: 55-45
Killpower: 35-65
Damage output: 60-40

240<260

You can call me biased, but I still see the odds on Ness' favor.

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Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:21 pm
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Can you explain why you think ness has a stronger edgeguarding game than peach, especially one on one, peach has an amazing toolset for just outright stopping ness getting back to the stage, in theory, if ness is offstage, parallel or below where peach is, he should never be able to get back.

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Why to make a Tier list of a game Still in Development?

Tails, Sora and Lloyd were confirmed to New moveset.

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Lisnovski wrote:
Why to make a Tier list of a game Still in Development?

Tails, Sora and Lloyd were confirmed to New moveset.

This is a tier list for Version 9b. I'm sure most of us know about the revamps Tails, Steven (Sora), and Lloyd got.

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Sorry that was kind of my bad, Peach is better at edge guarding and as I said in my first comment especially off stage, but the thing with Ness is all he has to do to edge guard is Pk bomb, or Pk fire to back'throw if you don't sweet spot, or Pk thunder if you're far away and up from him, yoyo and d-tilt can be a good option too.

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You're thinking of Peach recovering low, but that rarely happens. Peach can float and have mixups with double jump, side special, and up special. Sure, you're screwed if you have to recover low, but a good Peach will be able to wait out PK Flash, dodge PK Thunder, and just avoid PK Fire entirely, as well as mixup with nair and fair to prevent Ness from edgeguarding directly.

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peach has no issues recovering low imo
her umbrella has a lot of priority going up

if she needs to recover low, she just has to float underneath the ledge, wait for any attempts at an initial edge-guard and then up-B if the other dude is either 1) too close to the ledge that he/she will be hit by the umbrella, or 2) not close enough to punish a ledge grab or landing on stage.

EDIT: That being said, I think this rendition of the tier list is very nice, I only have a few minor complaints that have already been ironed out (I shared the same exact thoughts as Jammy, but it's probably because sheik and DK have a lot of tools to easily crap on CF, which is why we're focusing on those placings)
the other being kirby's placing... again, already explained, yet I feel like it's a tad suspect. Although I do agree with the reasoning for the most-part, so idk.


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No one ever talked about Black Mage. What makes him not high/top tier material?

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He is top tier (it contains the S, A+, and A tiers on my list). If you want reasoning, look at what i wrote to Lunary on the previous page.

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Nice tier list mate.

I always thought that Zelda would be top 10. What stopped her from getting to that point in your tier list?

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I like this tier list but I feel
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9-Zelda/Link
10-Link/Zelda
11-Tails
12-Black Mage

The ZeldaVLink Matchup is 50/50 so idk where I'd put those characters for sure, but I know for certain they both beat or have an even matchup vs tails and black mage. Great tier list though Zapp, basically what I thought the final would probably look like.

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Why the hell is Goku above Dk and Sheik? I don't mean to sound too rude but just why is Goku so high on your list?

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Goku has great aerial mobility, a good recovery, good kill moves, Kaioken, which is amazing, great platform mobility, a decent projectile, and good edgeguarding.

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