My problem with Ridley honestly has nothing to do with size. I've learned from Dissidia Doudecim that size can be both a gift and a curse on that level. What bothers me is his ability to fly.

Think about it: a game where the only way you can kill someone is to knock them off screen, and you place in a character where their main source of movement is by flying. If someone can tell me how this would not be overpowered, I'd like to hear it.

Well, maybe the team could figure something out. After all, Pit(Kid Icarus( relies on flight a lot as well(though not to the same extent). Maybe he could be, in a may, similar to Modok of UMVC3, having no jumps, but a flight mode that lasts for a certain amount of time? That could potentially work, especially since he'll move really slowly on the ground to compensate.

Except that MODOK actually has a legitimate reason to be limited. He's a machine and has technological limitations on his own flight that vary from writer to writer.

Ridley, however, is shown using his own flight for a vast majority of his actions. Even assuming this isn't OP as hell, this makes a problem considering that the majority of a SSB movelist takes place on the ground.

yup every time bowser was a good deal bigger than mario it was from some outside thing i.e magic starts whatever

again ridley would just look stupid and be stupid

lol tabbu
the first smash bros rep in a smash bros game??

Just going to point out that being large in Smash Brothers essentially makes you a burden and a legit combo bag.
Don't compare something like Dissidia to a game like this because they're entirely different in their own aspects.

Not really an issue. Meta Knight, Pit and Charizard all have wings that they only use selectively for multiple jumps and glides. Plus for all intents and purposes Kirby can fly in his games, and that's not been an issue in Smash.

I think you skipped over what I said to the other person who argued that same exact point.

bolded: Not really, but okay

But then who's to say he can't fly? Give him his wings, make him more unique. His third jump makes him fly, like Yoshi's final smash, but with a time limit. It would have a cooldown time as well, so you wouldn't be able to use it to stall/camp, else you'd risk your ability to actually recover. Make him f***, too - his vulnerability to combos almost balance that out themselves.

I dunno, just tossing out ideas. I personally feel like dismissing any character for reasons like that - size, moveset potential, etc - just shows a lack of creativity. Why not use that to the character's advantage, to make them more unique? To add more diversity to an already diverse roster?

(I might be a bit more hesitant to support ideas like that if Namco wasn't on board. Sakurai's proven through all three previous Smash games that he doesn't know a whole lot about balance, but Tekken [at least in my experience] shows that Namco can make up for that)

Still due to his sheer size, he would likely be very powerful as well, which is essentially the same as getting to play as Giga Bowser permanently. Regardless of how his jumps would work, he's still better suited to be a boss and not playable. If they make Ridley playable, they might as well give you the reins of all the other bosses as well, and let you play as Giga Bowser (not transformed from Bowser).

Also think of it this way, if Ridley was playable, how many people would really want to play as him? Being the largest playable character, unless you are somehow immune or partially immune to knockback/flinching (which is in itself OP) you arent really gonna get the chance to do much in a fight, therefore limiting his use.

Replies in bold, since I'm lazy

Also, @Thundaga: This is partially true except if you can fly as him then it essentially becomes the Sephiroth boss in Kingdom Hearts 1: the fight will be short no matter what the match up exclusively because of how advantages and disadvantages are lined up.

Then they would have to give him attacks like Master Hand or something, being able to attack from the background to give him invincibility or some such thing. As if he's susceptable to hitstun, even if he can fly, he's not going to be able to do much of anything, as his attacks would be interrupted 90% of the time.

If they make Ridley playable, they might as well design him so that he's nothing like the ordinary playable characters, and just design him as a playable boss, complete with a health bar and everything. Actually if they did that, then i'd want to try him out. Of course, they should have others as well if they do this.

Actually, this is what the "5th" player could do if they implement it (give the 5th player control of the boss), now this is starting to sound like a cool idea to me lol.

That was the 2nd galaxy, but true. Bowser's size changes frequently. Just look at Mario Kart 64. He was about the same size as Mario and the others. He was still pretty small in Mario Kart: DD, and in New Super Mario Bros. (DS) his size changed throughout the game. Due to Kamek's magic, he grows to be HUGE in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.
Because of this, it might be okay if Ridley was smaller and playable, but I'd still like to see Ridley as a boss.

I don't really see how making him big and flight-oriented would take away his character at all. Worst part about it is that it would require some SERIOUS attention to balance, otherwise he'll easily become either extremely underpowered or extremely overpowered. With the right amount of creativity and balance I could see it working quite well. Make him the new Zelda/Pokemon Trainer :v

Oh, if thats what you meant then it takes away from his character because I misread. My apologies.

Well since we're talkin' 'bout Ridley, I have an idea for his final smash (if they keep that). I still want him to be a boss, but if it comes to him being playable...Ridley's FS would be Meta Ridley, like in the SSE. It'd be a final form. Not sure what kind of moveset either of the two would have. Any ideas?