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Kittenpuncher
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 |  |  |  | Villerar wrote: It's funny that you just ignored the data about the environment I provided, which stated that the Sea of Galilee never freezes. It is even classified as a lake type that is either frozen for the major part of the year or never frozen. I also wonder how they would demonstrate the circumstance on a lake about two thousand years ago. Though he knows we don't know proof of his existence, he does; hence omniscience. What do you think of this? It is the purpose of belief to believe; you cannot believe on exclusively human-rational grounds, believing on those grounds would not be believing. Kierkegaard has written a lot about that. Usually the argument is used to argue God is either not benevolent or omnipotent. However, the Problem of Evil is flawed in the sense that omnipotence combined with benevolence should inevitably lead to intervention. Though in Christian theology, there is such intervention actually, it is not a ostensibly direct as often longed for. The point is that most people who use this argument the described way is that they overlook important notions, such as freedom and responsibility of action. If a deity would intervene every time we do something wrong in order to make it right again, we would be limited in our freedom and we would not have any responsibility of our own, neither personally nor collectively. You could reject this notion, but for instance all of our statecraft and legislation is based on the notion humans at least have responsibility. (This is actually not complete as you may have noticed, but I'll leave it at this for now.) Moral: Reciting an argument from an ancient philosopher is not always going to be free from fallacy. [Though you did not use it as an argument and just as another example, I know.  It is more of a "warning" to others.] I can't help but enjoy the silence, I mean civil wording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA-mSoD6NV8 |  |  |  |  |
I have to admit, you've gone a few pages with a pretty solid argument, but you've just pulled one of my favorite loads of s***: "If something has to make sense for you to believe in it, you are not a true believer." Kierkegaard was a moron for thinking that argument would be anywhere near convincing to a "Non-believer." It makes me laugh when people reference it, because it directly projects the stereotypical religious thinking: "Believe, under any circumstances."
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:45 am |
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Gold
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I don't like blind faith - if you're going to put your life in someone's hands, you'd better have reason to believe that they're going to hold you
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:34 am |
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Tid
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THANK YOU. I'm so glad someone else is saying this, because people don't believe me when I say that Big Bang is more then a theory. Basically Angel, your excuse is this: Well. We've got no f*** clue how any of this came about, but I worked it out! Some being with no physical evidence to suggest he exists must of made it all out of thin air! Also, you've clearly got no clue what the Big Bang actually is. You don't have any clue what you're talking about, and are just behaving like an idiotic two year old. Stop posting. Again. But there's your dead end. What's your reason to believe that God exists?
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:14 am |
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Dr.Rockso
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:35 pm Posts: 929 Location: siouxfalls
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did i say no to the big bang theory? i made fun of your explanation of it you f***. and to our supposed dead end, how do you know God doesn't exist, f*** idiot.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:17 am |
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Geno
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Wow what a wretchid comeback. First off, TID didn't explain the Big Bang theory, DVDV did. Secondly, LOLZ WEL HOW U KNO HE DUNT EXIST is the worst retalliation post ever. How do I know unicorns don't exist? Ahem.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:20 am |
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Tid
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Well quite frankly, he's about as believable as Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:23 am |
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Dr.Rockso
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Nice comeback, something that is a fairytale classic. Bicurious f**, thats what athiests, which ironic dude is, believe. It's also pointless to say, prove he existed, since techically as a law of physics, you cant create matter out of nothing, some higher force had to be involved, whether it be god, or some other being.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:57 am |
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Tid
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ITT Idiot who thinks he's smart. Nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever, you're just throwing a bunch of big words together. Now okay, to respond to your post seriously: If you can't create matter out of nothing, then where the hell did this God fellow come from?
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:59 am |
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Dr.Rockso
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according to the bible, he's always been,makes more sense than defying the laws of physics if you ask me. and what big words did i throw in hm? my little 2nd grade sister could read and understand what I just said fine.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:09 am |
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Gold
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God didn't come from nothing, he was always there. Says that in Isaiah something or other, I don't pretend to understand how that works but it makes just as much sense as the universe coming from nowhere
Also, not trying to be slack or anything, but could you take it to the PM's?
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:11 am |
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Tid
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Ahah Thanks Angel, you always make me smile. Like literally, I just laughed out loud. So. A book which has absolutely no proof or fact behind it suggesting some powerful dude who we've never met before, or in fact had any sign to suggest he existed creating the universe with a click of his fingers or whatever follows the laws of physics. But what has been proven multiple times to of happened by scientists doesn't. Yeah I get it now. Thanks.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:13 am |
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Dr.Rockso
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nah, im done for the night, gonna go chill to some metal.
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:14 am |
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Tid
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Have fun melting your brain-cells. Oh by the way Translation for those of you who haven't understood him properly "Holy s*** what he's saying makes more sense then what I'm saying I'm leaving"
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:16 am |
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Dr.Rockso
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:35 pm Posts: 929 Location: siouxfalls
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yeah thats exactly it. Leaving an dispute means your right, God im so sorry, oops i mean, Nothing im so sorry. Night 
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Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:19 am |
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Gold
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How do you mean? For the purpose of the following let's take it as read that God exists ok? God made everything: time, space, everything out of nothing Therefore, just like an animator makes individual frames, God makes the individual 'frames' of the universe. However, while the 'animator' or God can appear in his animations, he does not have to follow the rules of his creation. He can follow his own rules. Likewise, God can break the laws of physics because he wrote them so to speak should he choose to. However, the universe can't break its own rules. The universe can't break its own laws on its own.
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