Hello, and welcome to the Item Standard Play (ISP) Thread. Now, I'm sure you have a few questions.










Alright, now that we have that out of the way, let's get going.

Honestly, I think E-Tanks would be fine in ISP. If your opponent heals more than 10% in a 1v1 that's definitely your fault.

This is my initial assessment for a possible ISP list for SSF2. It's not official by any means. I want to be sure my examinations are accurate and uncertainties are snuffed out.







Remember, this is just what I think after a short examination. I want to hear some counterpoints.

I think the bumper should be allowed, because, no matter who places it, both players can use it strategically, And it would just make things more interesting in general.

I'd like to start a discussion on this.

My concern is that it would be ill-suited and difficult to avoid on smaller stages, like Battlefield. A possibility is allowing it to be enabled on Counterpick, but that might be a little too complicated.

C'mon, guys, I wanna' hear some points.

While I like the idea of Smash Balls being usable, at the same time the final forms are too powerful. However, the increased amount of invincibility frames from respawning could circumvent that.

Any thoughts?

I'm mostly thinking of Goku's dual final smashes. Score a KO as a Super Saiyan, wait a bit for the respawn period to end, then throw a Spirit Bomb. The increased invincibility frames still wouldn't stop that.

I like the ability of using Smash balls as well, but I agree, I feel like the characters that have final forms (Wario, Ichigo, Goku, Naruto, Sonic, and if you count Semi-final forms, Yoshi and Mega Man to a lesser extent) would have a huge advantage with them, while leaving the other characters who don't have them at a small disadvantage, and that's what is holding me back from fully supporting them.

Unless the enemy is good at dodging projectiles, Mega Man and Yoshi can easily clean the floor up due to the damage and knock-back on their missles. Pretty much every final form can easily combo their opponent and get clean, easy KOs, while the enemy can't do much to fight, and some of the final smashes have a risk to them, mainly the swordsmen, because their final smashes are easy to dodge in my opinion and would just be a wasted Smash ball. The rest of them are in the middle due to them being able to cover distance and are somewhat harder to dodge than targeted final smashes, but easier than final forms.

TL;DR

Final forms and Semi-Final forms in my opinion would have a huge advantage, followed by non-targeted final Smashes (Mario Finale, Peach Beam, Zero Laser, etc), and then the swordsmen with the targeted final Smashes where if you miss, you lose it (Tri-Force Slash, Falcon's Crest, Critical Hit, etc) would be at (in my opinion) a disadvantage to the rest of the Final Smashes.

My thoughts exactly. It would be a nice addition to allow smash balls, but just not fair.

If everyone had a final smash like Link's, there wouldn't be a problem with using smash balls in an ISP ruleset. It would be awesome to combo into your super move, like an Ultra combo.

The idea of counter picking items sounds really funny to me, I actually like the sound of it.

The Deathnote Trophy is a true game changer. Amigo is somewhat avoidable with some characters, I'd have to test him out. Assist Trophies could be fun, I'd like to hear other people's opinions on them. I have to go back to 0.9a to get a feel for them again, even in 9a I didn't use items much.

I'm sorry to be a bit off-topic but...what does the Death Note AT do?

The problem with that, though, is that it would ruin the essence of some characters. It just wouldn't be Goku if he couldn't go Super Saiyan, you know?


No idea how item counterpicks would work, though, personally.


OHKO after a ten-second countdown. It's technically avoidable, but only on larger stages that are banned anyway.

I would be super unhappy if Smash Balls appeared, although no one in this game is slightly as broken as Wolf. (I hate Wolf!). I think a couple items in the list given are slightly misplaced:
I think Non-exploding Capsules should be allowed, because the risk of spawning is minimal and they are a one-use projectile similar to the Freezie.
I think the Pitfall should be at least Counterpick (whatever that means) or banned. They make some recoveries practically death sentences. Anyone who drifts horizontally, like Peach, Chibi-Robo, DK, Mario (although he can reflect it), Fox, etc., is screwed, and some characters with slow recoveries (Ichigo, Chibi-Robo, DK, Sora, etc.) have serious issues dealing with it.
Ray Gun has to be banned, if for nothing else then that Kirby has guaranteed 80% if he mashes the attack button up close.
I like the idea of items in competitive play and I hope that someday we work out the specifics.

you can't choose between exploding and normal capsules unless it's training mode.
pitfall can be meteor cancelled if it hits you in the air.
I would accept ray gun tbh since I assume the kirby rapid fire thing is a bug that hasn't been fixed for may demos...