If you're trying to edgeguard pika with falcon and you get hit by upB, you're dead. That's it, stock gone because you were hit by a super fast recovery. PJSalt

Melee Thunder when

will come in demo version 9a

Why are people just now complaining about Pika? He's the exact same as last version.

They've been complaining about him. His priority is bs frankly.

And his thunder spikes kills mostly anyone at 50%

Its just that Pika's jank was overshadowed by the likes of DK and Ichigo last time.

Everyone is a work in progress after all. Fixes won't happen to everyone and everything in one fell swoop. I'm not affected by thunder much, but not everyone plays multi jump characters, and some of Pikachu's attacks cannot be cancelled.

DK is probably still better than Pika.

I respectfully disagree. Pikachu has really good edgeguarding on most of the cast (as RemPrower said, multi-jump characters do well against Pika because of this), a good projectile, a great approach game because many of his approaches are so hard to cancel out, one of the best kill moves in the game, a great recovery that is really difficult to edgeguard, and chaingrabs on heavies and fastfallers (dthrow chain -> anything, fthrow chain -> usmash or uair semispike, and other really good grab combos). DK has a far worse offstage game, worse priority, a much tougher time approaching and no projectile to force opponents to approach with, kill moves that are slightly better but not by much, similar chaingrabs, and is a far easier target to hit and combo.

BTW: why is no one upset about Meta Knight if Pika annoys them? MK has transcendence on most of his attacks as far as I know, and nair kills at similar percentages to Thunder offstage and is much easier to hit.

No one talks about MK period and NO ONE plays him online lol. I have no idea why. He's probably top tier. Maybe people are just anti-MK because of Brawl.

I main him, and I think that he's the best in the game (which is insignificant in a game where every character is viable and many are really good). He's hard to use online because his combos are really DI dependent. I play him with a lot of dashgrabbing and dash-dancing, and I can't react quickly enough online to do that, so I don't play him online. He doesn't play at all like Brawl MK, so I don't know why others don't play him.

My record against MK says 5-2, but that can't be right. I truly feel I've fought more MK than that, and I shouldn't have a record like that against MK. I can't remember whom my hardest fight is, but I think It's MK.

To put into perspective his usage though I have 63 recordings of Marths used. 47 of them are wins. As usual I want to disclaim that shi is purely accurate as there are wins and losses against Marth missing, but this puts frequency into perspective. A lot of people use characters like Marth over MK, and I bet it's based solely on popularity.

Because Meta Knight is not a well-liked character. Not many chances to fight a really good MK online.

Also Pikachu is easy modo. I don't really expect Meta Knight to be simple either.

So far there really hasnt been much about meta knight that screams s*** to me.

However metaknight vs ichigo is brutal as hell if laggy

The only thing I really hate about MK, even as an MK main, is that uair chains are really stupid. You can dthrow -> uair chain (5 or 6 if you can follow DI) -> Shuttle Loop or nair on fast-fallers which kills at BS percentages.