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Devon S wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
Ness and Ninten look VERY similar.

There's a reason for that, though: Ninten is Ness' father.

that's never been confirmed, it's just a common theory

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Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:04 pm
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Devon S wrote:
You underestimate just how popular Geno is. I won't care if Geno doesn't get in but back when Brawl was being developed, Sakurai hosted a poll asking users what third-party character they most wanted to see and Geno placed third, directly below Sonic and Mega Man.
Stop that.

I've never seen the results of that poll and you haven't either.

You just heard that from someone else and believed it because you liked it.

This isn't about Geno, this is about people constantly quoting a nonexistant source to support any character they want.

Please, prove me wrong.

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Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:15 pm
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I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why you have Ninten on the same level as Cloud and Knuckles.

Name a good reason why he'd be in? He doesn't meet most requirements I was using to list;
-Must be as popular as the currently represented character
-Series is large enough to have that many reps
-Enough differentiation to not be considered a "Clone"
-Fanbase isn't as large as currently represented character
-Must be requested by both the CASUAL and HARDCORE community

The full list I have atm is here;
-Appear in most of the series' games, especially CORE games
-Appear on a Nintendo Console
-Originated from a Video Game source
-Must be as popular as the currently represented character
-Series is large enough to have that many reps
-Enough differentiation to not be considered a "Clone"
-Fanbase isn't as large as currently represented character
-Must be requested by both the CASUAL and HARDCORE community
-Must have SOME history with Nintendo
-Must bring at least SOME kind of new element
-Must be either a Mascot, or hold some kind of relevance


Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:23 pm
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Devon S wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
Ness and Ninten look VERY similar.

There's a reason for that, though: Ninten is Ness' father.

Kuro Kagami wrote:
Mother is not as well-known as Earthbound, and Mother 3, while semi-old, is the newest game in the series.

Ice Climber and Kid Icarus were also obscure but that didn't stop the Icies or Pit from making it in.

Are you sure Ice Climber and Kid Icarus were obscure games in Japan?

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Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:52 pm
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Devon S wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
Ness and Ninten look VERY similar.

There's a reason for that, though: Ninten is Ness' father.

Mother takes place in 1988. Mother 2 takes place 199X. NO HE ISN'T.


Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:21 pm

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TerminX wrote:
Devon S wrote:
You underestimate just how popular Geno is. I won't care if Geno doesn't get in but back when Brawl was being developed, Sakurai hosted a poll asking users what third-party character they most wanted to see and Geno placed third, directly below Sonic and Mega Man.
Stop that.

I've never seen the results of that poll and you haven't either.

You just heard that from someone else and believed it because you liked it.

This isn't about Geno, this is about people constantly quoting a nonexistant source to support any character they want.

Please, prove me wrong.

You're not looking hard enough.

Ahem, anyway, it turns out that my facts weren't 100% accurate: The poll in question was actually for what characters were the most requested for Brawl, third-party or otherwise. And Geno wasn't in third place, he was tied for second.

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Japanese Poll, Most Requested Characters in Japan
King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2) - Assist Trophy
Jeff(2) - Assist Trophy
Kawashima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)

Those are the official results quoted word for word. You can find them mirrored all over the net. And if you accuse me of making them up, let me just say that I've had never heard of Demiru before researching this topic.

If you're wondering why the numbers are so few, it's because it was a strange poll. Japanese fans were asked to submit moveset ideas for characters they wanted to see in Brawl. Those numbers are the amount of muvesets that personally caught Sakurai's attention.

This was taken straight from Sakurai's personal blog (which I unfortunately couldn't find a link to). Do you believe me now?

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Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:50 pm
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.
Results: show
Aeron (Pandora’s Tower) (1260 votes, 1%)

Ashley (WarioWare) (2683 votes, 2%)

Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight) (2573 votes, 2%)

Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (1583 votes, 1%)

Dillon (Dillon’s Rolling Western) (1349 votes, 1%)

Flint (Mother) (4953 votes, 4%)

Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda) (9807 votes, 8%)

Isaac (Golden Sun) (5645 votes, 4%)

Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) (1284 votes, 1%)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country) (5165 votes, 4%)

Krom (Fire Emblem) (5073 votes, 4%)

Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) (5176 votes, 4%)

Mach Rider (Mach Rider) (925 votes, 0%)

Mike Jones (Startropics) (928 votes, 0%)

N (Pokemon) (9735 votes, 8%)

Ouendan (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (1431 votes, 1%)

Palutena (Kid Icarus) (5145 votes, 4%)

Prince Fluff (Kirby) (1794 votes, 1%)

Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) (1692 votes, 1%)

Professor Layton (Professor Layton) (6404 votes, 5%)

Ray 01 (Custom Robo) (2364 votes, 1%)

Ridley (Metroid) (5443 votes, 4%)

Saki (Sin and Punishment) (2274 votes, 1%)

Sami (Advance Wars) (2273 votes, 1%)

Sheriff (Sheriff) (368 votes, 0%)

Shulk (Xenoblade) (12105 votes, 10%)

Simea (Crystalis) (377 votes, 0%)

Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) (1723 votes, 1%)

Takamaru (Mysterious Castle) (2191 votes, 1%)

Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (4640 votes, 3%)

Waluigi (Mario Bros.) (8138 votes, 6%)

Zael (The Last Story) (1943 votes, 1%)


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Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.

All right, smartass, YOU try googling "Masashiro Sakurai's blog" and tell me if you can find anything relevant. Better yet, google the resuls I posted--they're everywhere. I couldn't make those results up if I tried.

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Devon S wrote:
All right, smartass, YOU try googling "Masashiro Sakurai's blog" and tell me if you can find anything relevant. Better yet, google the resuls I posted--they're everywhere. I couldn't make those results up if I tried.

I'm not going to google your argument. Burden of proof is on you.

Link to the blog, or link to your source. And then I'll point out the contradiction.

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Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:40 pm
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Devon S wrote:
Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.

All right, smartass, YOU try googling "Masashiro Sakurai's blog" and tell me if you can find anything relevant. Better yet, google the resuls I posted--they're everywhere. I couldn't make those results up if I tried.

Devon, you're a dumbass. That's the second or third time you've lost by debating rules, why are you still yelling at people?


Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:55 pm
Devon S wrote:
Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.

All right, smartass, YOU try googling "Masashiro Sakurai's blog" and tell me if you can find anything relevant. Better yet, google the resuls I posted--they're everywhere. I couldn't make those results up if I tried.

Oh, it's all over google? I guess the 2 of 3 rumor is true too.


Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:47 pm

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Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.
Results: show
Aeron (Pandora’s Tower) (1260 votes, 1%)

Ashley (WarioWare) (2683 votes, 2%)

Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight) (2573 votes, 2%)

Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (1583 votes, 1%)

Dillon (Dillon’s Rolling Western) (1349 votes, 1%)

Flint (Mother) (4953 votes, 4%)

Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda) (9807 votes, 8%)

Isaac (Golden Sun) (5645 votes, 4%)

Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) (1284 votes, 1%)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country) (5165 votes, 4%)

Krom (Fire Emblem) (5073 votes, 4%)

Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) (5176 votes, 4%)

Mach Rider (Mach Rider) (925 votes, 0%)

Mike Jones (Startropics) (928 votes, 0%)

N (Pokemon) (9735 votes, 8%)

Ouendan (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (1431 votes, 1%)

Palutena (Kid Icarus) (5145 votes, 4%)

Prince Fluff (Kirby) (1794 votes, 1%)

Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) (1692 votes, 1%)

Professor Layton (Professor Layton) (6404 votes, 5%)

Ray 01 (Custom Robo) (2364 votes, 1%)

Ridley (Metroid) (5443 votes, 4%)

Saki (Sin and Punishment) (2274 votes, 1%)

Sami (Advance Wars) (2273 votes, 1%)

Sheriff (Sheriff) (368 votes, 0%)

Shulk (Xenoblade) (12105 votes, 10%)

Simea (Crystalis) (377 votes, 0%)

Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) (1723 votes, 1%)

Takamaru (Mysterious Castle) (2191 votes, 1%)

Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (4640 votes, 3%)

Waluigi (Mario Bros.) (8138 votes, 6%)

Zael (The Last Story) (1943 votes, 1%)

All the choices that are winning are boring. Also, it's "Chrom" not Krom.


Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:45 pm

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C_Mill24 wrote:
Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.
Results: show
Aeron (Pandora’s Tower) (1260 votes, 1%)

Ashley (WarioWare) (2683 votes, 2%)

Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight) (2573 votes, 2%)

Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (1583 votes, 1%)

Dillon (Dillon’s Rolling Western) (1349 votes, 1%)

Flint (Mother) (4953 votes, 4%)

Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda) (9807 votes, 8%)

Isaac (Golden Sun) (5645 votes, 4%)

Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) (1284 votes, 1%)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country) (5165 votes, 4%)

Krom (Fire Emblem) (5073 votes, 4%)

Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) (5176 votes, 4%)

Mach Rider (Mach Rider) (925 votes, 0%)

Mike Jones (Startropics) (928 votes, 0%)

N (Pokemon) (9735 votes, 8%)

Ouendan (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (1431 votes, 1%)

Palutena (Kid Icarus) (5145 votes, 4%)

Prince Fluff (Kirby) (1794 votes, 1%)

Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) (1692 votes, 1%)

Professor Layton (Professor Layton) (6404 votes, 5%)

Ray 01 (Custom Robo) (2364 votes, 1%)

Ridley (Metroid) (5443 votes, 4%)

Saki (Sin and Punishment) (2274 votes, 1%)

Sami (Advance Wars) (2273 votes, 1%)

Sheriff (Sheriff) (368 votes, 0%)

Shulk (Xenoblade) (12105 votes, 10%)

Simea (Crystalis) (377 votes, 0%)

Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) (1723 votes, 1%)

Takamaru (Mysterious Castle) (2191 votes, 1%)

Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (4640 votes, 3%)

Waluigi (Mario Bros.) (8138 votes, 6%)

Zael (The Last Story) (1943 votes, 1%)

All the choices that are winning are boring. Also, it's "Chrom" not Krom.

Krom is his Japanese name.

It wasn't localized in 2012.


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Lucina wrote:
C_Mill24 wrote:
Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.
Results: show
Aeron (Pandora’s Tower) (1260 votes, 1%)

Ashley (WarioWare) (2683 votes, 2%)

Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight) (2573 votes, 2%)

Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (1583 votes, 1%)

Dillon (Dillon’s Rolling Western) (1349 votes, 1%)

Flint (Mother) (4953 votes, 4%)

Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda) (9807 votes, 8%)

Isaac (Golden Sun) (5645 votes, 4%)

Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) (1284 votes, 1%)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country) (5165 votes, 4%)

Krom (Fire Emblem) (5073 votes, 4%)

Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) (5176 votes, 4%)

Mach Rider (Mach Rider) (925 votes, 0%)

Mike Jones (Startropics) (928 votes, 0%)

N (Pokemon) (9735 votes, 8%)

Ouendan (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (1431 votes, 1%)

Palutena (Kid Icarus) (5145 votes, 4%)

Prince Fluff (Kirby) (1794 votes, 1%)

Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) (1692 votes, 1%)

Professor Layton (Professor Layton) (6404 votes, 5%)

Ray 01 (Custom Robo) (2364 votes, 1%)

Ridley (Metroid) (5443 votes, 4%)

Saki (Sin and Punishment) (2274 votes, 1%)

Sami (Advance Wars) (2273 votes, 1%)

Sheriff (Sheriff) (368 votes, 0%)

Shulk (Xenoblade) (12105 votes, 10%)

Simea (Crystalis) (377 votes, 0%)

Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) (1723 votes, 1%)

Takamaru (Mysterious Castle) (2191 votes, 1%)

Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (4640 votes, 3%)

Waluigi (Mario Bros.) (8138 votes, 6%)

Zael (The Last Story) (1943 votes, 1%)

All the choices that are winning are boring. Also, it's "Chrom" not Krom.

Krom is his Japanese name.

It wasn't localized in 2012.
Ahh, okay. My mistake.


Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:29 pm
C_Mill24 wrote:
Clubby Bear wrote:
Totally. Can't even link to his blog.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
Now, here's a poll that was shown to the Sakurai; this was a poll that was taken in the USA;
IT HAD 118444 VOTES, AND 34965 VOTERS. GENO DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE QUARTERFINALS.
Results: show
Aeron (Pandora’s Tower) (1260 votes, 1%)

Ashley (WarioWare) (2683 votes, 2%)

Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight) (2573 votes, 2%)

Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (1583 votes, 1%)

Dillon (Dillon’s Rolling Western) (1349 votes, 1%)

Flint (Mother) (4953 votes, 4%)

Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda) (9807 votes, 8%)

Isaac (Golden Sun) (5645 votes, 4%)

Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven) (1284 votes, 1%)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country) (5165 votes, 4%)

Krom (Fire Emblem) (5073 votes, 4%)

Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) (5176 votes, 4%)

Mach Rider (Mach Rider) (925 votes, 0%)

Mike Jones (Startropics) (928 votes, 0%)

N (Pokemon) (9735 votes, 8%)

Ouendan (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (1431 votes, 1%)

Palutena (Kid Icarus) (5145 votes, 4%)

Prince Fluff (Kirby) (1794 votes, 1%)

Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) (1692 votes, 1%)

Professor Layton (Professor Layton) (6404 votes, 5%)

Ray 01 (Custom Robo) (2364 votes, 1%)

Ridley (Metroid) (5443 votes, 4%)

Saki (Sin and Punishment) (2274 votes, 1%)

Sami (Advance Wars) (2273 votes, 1%)

Sheriff (Sheriff) (368 votes, 0%)

Shulk (Xenoblade) (12105 votes, 10%)

Simea (Crystalis) (377 votes, 0%)

Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) (1723 votes, 1%)

Takamaru (Mysterious Castle) (2191 votes, 1%)

Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (4640 votes, 3%)

Waluigi (Mario Bros.) (8138 votes, 6%)

Zael (The Last Story) (1943 votes, 1%)

All the choices that are winning are boring. Also, it's "Chrom" not Krom.

These are fan polls. You had your chance to vote (If you knew about this)


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