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Bully victim stabs/kills bully; no murder charges. 

Justified or not?
Justified 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
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Bully victim stabs/kills bully; no murder charges. 
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-teen-jorge-saavedra-won-t-charged-murder-bus-stop-stabbing-article-1.1001277#ixzz1j04WQeLu

"Florida teen Jorge Saavedra won’t be charged with murder in bus-stop stabbing"

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A Florida teen who stabbed his classmate to death last year will not face murder charges, a judge ruled on Wednesday.

Collier County Judge Lauren Brodie agreed that 15-year-old Jorge Saavedra acted in self-defense when he knifed Dylan Nuno, 16, after a fight at a bus stop, WINK-TV reported.

"(He) had more than enough reason to believe he was in danger of death or great bodily harm," she wrote in her decision.

Saavedra, who was 14 at the time of the killing, was protected under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which stipulates that people can defend themselves if they feel threatened by any means necessary, NBC 2 reported.

Brodie heard from multiple witnesses who testified that Nuno initiated the fight and had been harassing Saavedra for more than a year.

"The facts were consistent. There was a group of boys harassing Mr. Saavedra, repeatedly threatening Mr. Saavedra, on the day this incident happened,” Saavedra's attorney Donald Day said. “Not one boy, but a group of boys had threatened physical violence."


EDIT: forgot to add my opinion

i think its a sad story, but definitely the victim was justified. bullying is a terrible thing : (

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Totally justified bro. It was in self-defense, after all. I have little doubt that he had no intention of killing the bully.


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Good God, what would it look like in this kids future, imagine getting a job, or getting married with that.

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I think it was justified.
At the time, the 14 year old got harassed for over a year.
That torture from the bully had to stop eventually.


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zangief kid strikes again.
but seriously justified or not,it's no difference to the one who died.

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It's justified and not justified at the same time, depending on how you look at it. On one point of view you could totally understand the murder in self defense, I mean what are you suppose to do, just sit there and let him beat/kill you? I wouldn't. On the other hand though, even if that bully was a complete jerk, he still had family, friends, and the rest of his life ahead of him, and someone just took that all away. That doesn't sound very justified. It's complicated, but I think people see what I'm getting at here.

Overall I'd like to look at it from the first point of view, since it seems like the most straight forward thought. Plus it's a law to be able to kill in self-defense, so who am I to complain?


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The victim should have gotten help before hand, if you're being bullied for a year and there are threats being thrown your way, do something about it. Not to mention all the "witnesses" who knew the victim was getting bullied that entire year, why didn't they get help sooner? Violence isn't the solution, murder is NEVER the solution. Whether the murder was intentional or not was not disclosed in the OP's segment so I can't say for certainty but the "victim" needs to be put into therapy ASAP. Keep in mind that bullies are just a bunch of kids, if you get adults (or the police) involved then there is NOTHING they can do, in fact you can be put under protective care if it escalates to a point where you are 100% sure you are unsafe.

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The victim should have gotten help before hand, if you're being bullied for a year and there are threats being thrown your way, do something about it. Not to mention all the "witnesses" who knew the victim was getting bullied that entire year, why didn't they get help sooner? Violence isn't the solution, murder is NEVER the solution. Whether the murder was intentional or not was not disclosed in the OP's segment so I can't say for certainty but the "victim" needs to be put into therapy ASAP. Keep in mind that bullies are just a bunch of kids, if you get adults (or the police) involved then there is NOTHING they can do, in fact you can be put under protective care if it escalates to a point where you are 100% sure you are unsafe.

Some kids would rather chose not being outcast as a snitch over their own safety. It's stupid I know, but in the persons mind they think that by getting an adult or the police involved in a situation going on in school/the bus between students, that; A)They show that they can't handle themselves(which most kids wouldn't be willing to admit) and B)They're making things unfair by bringing in a third party individual(which no one likes). Even though these thoughts are completely irrelevant compared to ones own safety, the thought of being unliked in a place you have to go to pretty much everyday, is overwhelming to anyone who cares.


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The victim should have gotten help before hand, if you're being bullied for a year and there are threats being thrown your way, do something about it. Not to mention all the "witnesses" who knew the victim was getting bullied that entire year, why didn't they get help sooner? Violence isn't the solution, murder is NEVER the solution. Whether the murder was intentional or not was not disclosed in the OP's segment so I can't say for certainty but the "victim" needs to be put into therapy ASAP. Keep in mind that bullies are just a bunch of kids, if you get adults (or the police) involved then there is NOTHING they can do, in fact you can be put under protective care if it escalates to a point where you are 100% sure you are unsafe.

Some kids would rather chose not being outcast as a snitch over their own safety. It's stupid I know, but in the persons mind they think that by getting an adult or the police involved in a situation going on in school/the bus between students, that; A)They show that they can't handle themselves(which most kids wouldn't be willing to admit) and B)They're making things unfair by bringing in a third party individual(which no one likes). Even though these thoughts are completely irrelevant compared to ones own safety, the thought of being unliked in a place you have to go to pretty much everyday, is overwhelming to anyone who cares.

Obviously the kid is already disliked, I would easily stick up for my friends and I also like to think it goes both ways. This kid probably had nothing to lose, he was just so distorted from the bullying and depression that he needed to take his anger out. When it comes to bullying there is no unfair, it isn't a game.

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I wouldn't call this an outright murder case, considering how that child felt that his own life was in danger. IMO there could really have been much better coursees of action than actually taking a life, though.


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I wouldn't call this an outright murder case, considering how that child felt that his own life was in danger. IMO there could really have been much better coursees of action than actually taking a life, though.

Precisely.

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It never said he meant to do it. He could have stabbed him just to get him away. I threaten to stab all the time and do it from time to time, nobody gets killed.

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Still, If he was being bullied, the people in charge of the place where he was being bullied should have acted before it got this out of hand. Self Defence or not it's a failure by the Parents of all families, the children, and the place where it was happening, the only thing that saved this kid is that law, that law is not a good law, you could say you were provoked by some stranger and you stabbed him and killed him, That's not self defence, it's either manslaughter or murder, nothing in this whole situation is justifiable.

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It's justified and not justified at the same time, depending on how you look at it.

clearly the official court of law is wrong because a twelve year old says so

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