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OK. I'm really confused right now. I'll try to break it down, and you guys tell me whether I'm correct.

Night Actions Scenario One:
Dephius sends a message to myself: "Beliveblood is guilty"
Dephius roleblocks 135.(this would mean that he can have two actions a night)
I send a Life Pot to 135.
DJ Wizard Cop watches 135.

In this case, 135 would receive a Life Pot, I get the message, and DJ Wiz will get the result: "Terra and Dephius visited 135" or something like that.

Night Actions Scenario Two:
Dephius sends a message to a pro-town player: "BB is guilty"
Dephius roleblocks 135.
Town busdriver buses me and that pro-town player, hoping that the kill will get redirected to me(I was playing really scummily).
I send a Life Pot to 135.
Dj Wizard Cop watches 135.

In this case, 135 would receive a Life Pot, I get the message, and DJ Wiz will get the result: "Terra and Dephius visited 135."

They both are consistent, but which one? It would help me a lot.

Anyway, on to FoD. Agreed with Brik over there, in regards to his latest post.

Fly or Die's slightly updated summary.
Day 1-Mentions how he hates the pony cult(irony if it's him again), says there's nothing to discuss. Some stuff on MG 7. Says he's not getting anything substantial from "this", then realizes he's in RVS. Some stuff about how he thinks there's a Deph-TOWK-myself scumteam. Comments on my pressure vote and how it's getting serious, and again mentions that he hates Day 1. Mentions that everyone seems scummy. Has FoSes on myself, DJ Wiz, Deph and TOWK(practically the same as half the town). Then votes NL.
Day 2-Comments on my message, then questions 135 on his abilities. Mentions how my "I'm not a cop" part was inserted. Then has a huge FoS on Deph, TOWK and DJ Wiz after Deph's claim, thinking that TOWK and DJ Wiz want to extract claims. Asks for a votecount, saying he'll keep his thoughts to himself. Agrees that both Luke and Jenka together are unlikely, and mentions how two docs are OP, and slips when he says that 135 and I could be scumbuddies when DJ Wiz has confirmed it. Then mentions FoSes on BB, Brik, Lucina and TOWK. Then mentions how BB had "disappeared". Then says Lucina shouldn't do the mass roleblock.
Day 3-Says he completely believed Deph's claim(which is kinda true), and that he doesn't like Lucina as a VT. Then says that he'll defend himself when there's something to defend against. After drawing a ton of flak, claims Sanae Kochiya, apparently got a result "Different alignments" on BB and myself. Addresses Brik over the Lucina issue. And then says that he doesn't remember a framer.

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Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:18 am
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OK. I'm really confused right now. I'll try to break it down, and you guys tell me whether I'm correct.

Night Actions Scenario One:
Dephius sends a message to myself: "Beliveblood is guilty"
Dephius roleblocks 135.(this would mean that he can have two actions a night)
I send a Life Pot to 135.
DJ Wizard Cop watches 135.

In this case, 135 would receive a Life Pot, I get the message, and DJ Wiz will get the result: "Terra and Dephius visited 135" or something like that.

Night Actions Scenario Two:
Dephius sends a message to a pro-town player: "BB is guilty"
Dephius roleblocks 135.
Town busdriver buses me and that pro-town player, hoping that the kill will get redirected to me(I was playing really scummily).
I send a Life Pot to 135.
Dj Wizard Cop watches 135.

In this case, 135 would receive a Life Pot, I get the message, and DJ Wiz will get the result: "Terra and Dephius visited 135."

They both are consistent, but which one? It would help me a lot.

Anyway, on to FoD. Agreed with Brik over there, in regards to his latest post.

Fly or Die's slightly updated summary.
Day 1-Mentions how he hates the pony cult(irony if it's him again), says there's nothing to discuss. Some stuff on MG 7. Says he's not getting anything substantial from "this", then realizes he's in RVS. Some stuff about how he thinks there's a Deph-TOWK-myself scumteam. Comments on my pressure vote and how it's getting serious, and again mentions that he hates Day 1. Mentions that everyone seems scummy. Has FoSes on myself, DJ Wiz, Deph and TOWK(practically the same as half the town). Then votes NL.
Day 2-Comments on my message, then questions 135 on his abilities. Mentions how my "I'm not a cop" part was inserted. Then has a huge FoS on Deph, TOWK and DJ Wiz after Deph's claim, thinking that TOWK and DJ Wiz want to extract claims. Asks for a votecount, saying he'll keep his thoughts to himself. Agrees that both Luke and Jenka together are unlikely, and mentions how two docs are OP, and slips when he says that 135 and I could be scumbuddies when DJ Wiz has confirmed it. Then mentions FoSes on BB, Brik, Lucina and TOWK. Then mentions how BB had "disappeared". Then says Lucina shouldn't do the mass roleblock.
Day 3-Says he completely believed Deph's claim(which is kinda true), and that he doesn't like Lucina as a VT. Then says that he'll defend himself when there's something to defend against. After drawing a ton of flak, claims Sanae Kochiya, apparently got a result "Different alignments" on BB and myself. Addresses Brik over the Lucina issue. And then says that he doesn't remember a framer.

Two actions in one night is impossible, there is no one in the history that could activate two active abilities in one night and have no sort of penalty.


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Two actions in one night is impossible, there is no one in the history of mafia that could activate two active abilities in one night and have no sort of penalty.

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Well, let's see. As much as lynching our band comparer is dumb (It happened in MG 7, which was a perfect Mafia victory in spite of a very pro-town set up) lynching a Mafia member who claims to be a band comparer is not dumb.
Plus, when Lucina was the band comparer in MG 7 he really didn't have much scuminess on him, whereas FoD has plenty.

So, let's see what happens when when we lynch him.

Flips town, Day 4 we likely have: 2 scum, 1 3P, 5 townies, we lose an investigator
Flips scum, Day 4 we have: 1 scum, 1 3P, 6 townies
Flips 3P Day 4 we have: 2 scum, 6 townies

Well, decent-ish odds either way. Scenario 1 is kinda like Lylo though. Depends on the 3P.

And y'know, if he was a band comparer, he ought to be more active and not act scummy. If you don't lynch the scummy ones, who can you lynch?

@BelieveBlood: Herzel had two active abilities, and they didn't say that one deactivated the other.

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Just to confirm what the Wizard said, the night action history from Mafia 4 shows Herzel using both abilities every night.

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Brikmaninoff wrote:
I'm fairly certain that bus drivers have priority over everything. Thus, if the hypothesis floating around is correct, DJ Wiz actually saw Dephius and Terra visit... Terra.

Wait a second. If that was the case, Terra would have received his own Life Pot. That means...
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There was no bus driver interference.

Then how did DJ Wiz see Deph visit 135? Terra got the hallucination.
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This post reeks of pseudo-town fluff.

Basically, what you're saying is that you would rather have a dead confirmed townie than a live confirmed townie. You lost me there.

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No, I'm not. I'm saying that I would rather have Jigglypuff die N2 with more important roles surviving, then have everyone be a sitting duck N2 then having an important role dying N3 (with only one action completed).


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I'm being as active as I can, you know. Just saying.

I'm essentially an investigator now, right? I compare a random person with 135 or Terra, and (excluding framer interference) am giving a pretty conclusive result.

Also, I highly doubt I'll be dying at night now. If I'm killed at night, my pro-town role is comfirmed and having a suspiscious townie is good for scum anyway.


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Inactivity is killing this game.

Replacements for Void and Crabby please.

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Hm. Well, if you were really Comparer, I'd rather you just go after a Mafia or something. I mean, yeah, you can compare me to people, but well, considering you'd just get Town, :/

I mean, we've narrowed down our suspect pool to the point where if you just picked one of the remaining suspects, you have a great chance of getting a Mafia.


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I'm saying I'd compare you and someone else. If I get same alignment, both of you are town. If I get different, the "someone else" is non-town.


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Just like to apologize for inactivity. I've have this really large programming assignment for graphics. Basically, every waking hour this week where I wasn't in class was spent on this project. (The surprising thing is, it's not that much of an exaggerating, either.) Programming a ray tracer isn't easy :I

Fly or Die wrote:
I guess I have to claim.

I am Sanae Kochiya, from MG Mafia 7. Every night, I pick two people. I am told if these people are the same alignment. N1 I picked Terra and Believeblood. They were different alignments. Unfortunately, Believeblood happens to be one of my accusers, so my role has less credibility (Terra is essentially comfirmed).

That's why I disliked roleblock on N2. My investigative powers rely on a combination of the result and my own reads (except in this case). The more time I have to get something definite about an unsuspected player, the more scum I can find.

I'd like to think this is true. This would be a risky claim for scum to make. This also opens the possibility of:
-scum framer role
-d1 message to terra was wifom

Basically, for the same reasons I pushed a Believeblood lynch d1 apply to today as well. Because no one else has claimed receiving a pm from some investigative role, I'd like to assume the pm Terra received was the result of Dephius' ability. I'd like to confirm/disconfirm that Dephius was doing a wifom with his message to Terra and to confirm/disconfirm the validity of FoD's claim.

This being said, lynching Believeblood would be the logical choice that also gives town the most information. If the lynch is right, scum down, FoD cleared, and no more wifom crap. If it's a mislynch, that raises some concerns on FoD's claim and helps us gauge what abilities scum may have.
Vote: Believeblood

And Vote count, please

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So herzel had two abilities that could be activated in the same night... Then I guess it makes sense how the mafia sent the message to terra.

I'll be honest right now Fly or Die claim actually sounds really convincing, it would explain so many of his actions he has taken until now. With my point of view, I am almost certain there is a mafia framer out there and FoD's claim is real.

Also lynching me for information only, without any actual evidence against me is exactly the same thing brik tried yesterday, and like before, the tactic won't be as effective as people may think. If we lynch me and I turn innocent then FoD's role goes into question. So either you guys assume that FoD is fake or there is a framer. What did that accomplish exactly? I'm fairly certain that a framer would be included in a game where no one is a vanilla townie, and FoD's claim(which I believe is real) is already being thrown into question by everyone. By lynching me the next day will almost be exactly alike only you're down two townies, leaving us more vulnerable to mafia tactics then we are today. This situation is perfect for the mafia though, it'll give them a good reason to lynch FoD.


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^Agreed. So far, you seem rather Town-aligned-ish. But so does Crabby.


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Unvote

Big post with my reasons right after, I want to unvote before there's a bandwagon on Crabby's faulty logic.

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Either BelieveBlood is extremely good scum (really big hats off to you if you are), or Terra and 135 are extremely good scum, or the Mafia quick topic had some unusual rules, or I just found the two remaining Mafia members.

c:

Ok, first things first, assuming that only the last statement up there is true, then BelieveBlood is pretty much confirmed Notscum.
Why, you ask? Because he had no idea how the Herzel role worked. If he was a Mafia member, don't you find it likely that he would have researched his friend's abilities and discussed them Night 1?
Yeah, me too. So then, why did Crabby accuse him? It's really rather simple. FoD is in a relatively tight spot right now. Assuming that Crabby and FoD are Mafia buddies, Crabby has to do something to save him.
Crabby finds some old argument from Day 1 to test the "WIFOM"s*. This is perfect, as it both diverts the attention from his Mafia buddy FoD and switches the target to a town role that he's entirely justified in lynching!

Vote: Crabby

Now, there are one or two holes in this theory, the first and foremost being Crabby pushing for a Dephius lynch near the end of Day 2.
Of course, this could have been done precisely in case this situation arose, and it's hard to know which. But again, if you can't lynch the scummy ones, who can you lynch?

*Lynching BelieveBlood, if he turns out to be town - which is almost confirmed - doesn't really help us all that much anyway...

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