The funny thing is that Rasenshuriken is still better in most cases. Safer to charge, easier to hit, still scores knockouts really early. You can get an ohko Rasenshuriken as well, but only one since fully charging the move fixes the glitch.

This character's back-air has no landlag. Ever.

And it has lots of power, so landing the strongest hit on shield is pretty safe because it pushes so far away. Even if you don't, I'm pretty sure bair->immediate dash attack is still a good way to catch shieldgrabs or get past them by crossing them up.

Thanks for telling me that.

Hey, they used the sprites for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAe8Nwjl5T4

DAMN IT!!!! I THOUGHT I WAS THE FIRST TO SHOW THIS


CURSE YOU!!

They used Jump stars sprites for this on the DS (sick game tho). I mean its like that in every mugen I can think of.

What if they replace Kyuubi Naruto with Sage of the Six Paths Naruto for the Final Smash?

Hey guys. I was talking with some people in the IRC about how they think Naruto is overrated. While I agree that his amazing zoning can still be dealt with by a majority of the cast, this character is incredible for many other reasons, one of them being his unbelievable punish game. In theory, Naruto should be able to zero-to-death any cast member when he has a Rasenshuriken on deck, and that makes his incredible neutral game that much more terrifying. This is one instance of the kind of thing that I was talking about. It's not a perfect example because the combo obviously resets at one point, but I had so much positional advantage in that situation that it wouldn't have mattered too much if the Tails had chosen another option.

http://i.imgur.com/GNHfWDu.gifv

Also worth noting is the fact that a non-glitch-boosted Rasenshuriken KOed Tails at 49% on Dreamland, albeit with sub-optimal DI. Still, ouch.

This I already know and he is a good edge guarder as well.

Tails is a little lighter than Naruto, be like 3 units or pounds, whatever the devs use to describe weight in this game.

I agree with most of what you said. Naruto's definitely a great character with a great punish game, and when you have a Rasenshuriken charged a 0-death is usually a possibility. But when you're playing someone who knows how to DI and mix up DI, it's a lot easier said than done, and it doesn't look like the Tails you were playing was doing that at all. And what was with that random Uair he threw out? Also, it's interesting people are calling Naruto overrated now. It wasn't too long ago when everyone was begging for a nerf and complaining about literally every single one of his moves except his literally useless Uthrow.


Nice combo though, dude. I really need to get around to making that Naruto combo video I've been wanting to do...

Oh, definitely, definitely. To add on to what I said, my example combo is far from perfect because a) my opponent was not defending optimally and b) my punish was far from optimal itself and could have been more air-tight (Dair instead of Nair, for example). It's simply a mid-level proof of concept.

I think people are calling Naruto overrated now not only because it is trendy to do so, but also because more folks have figured out how to beat low-level newbie-crusher-style Naruto play that revolves around clones. This has exposed the vast majority of Naruto players as sub-par, leading those that used to struggle against the character to believe that he is overrated. While that style of play is, the character himself is not. He is simply strong for reasons that most Narutos do not take advantage of. Namely, his fast moves, amazing neutral game without clones and mind-blowing combo ability, not to mention his access to one of the top KO moves in the game. It is my firm belief that if more people start abusing these things we'll start seeing cries for nerfs again.

Its like, people either abuse the clones and only the clones, or they hardly use them because of the stigma. We need more Narutos to abuse the clones to no end AND take advantage of his super ez combo game and then its gg

This.^

We need Naruto players who can do just this.

@Savy
People are still wanting Naruto to be nerfed, but its mostly from scrubs or beginner players. Most of the above average players know how to deal with him now. He is not that hard to deal with when you get used to him unless, he is one of those Naruto that abuse the hell out of the up b attack.

Also, wasn't you who was asking for Rasenshuriken to be nerfed not to long ago also?

Another point that I normally make is that, nobody hated Naruto until online.

I don't want Rasenshuriken nerfed; I want it gone. Naruto is so much more interesting without it.

Players learn to deal with things because they want to win, yes. However, that doesn't change the fact that Naruto's current design does not promote the hype play of which he is capable. He just needs to be toned down a wee bit and he'll become simultaneously less broken, way more fun to play optimally and much more enjoyable to fight against.

The addition of online allowed metagame development to explode exponentially. As a result, we got to test more things on human players and people started trying much harder to find the broken stuff.

As an aside, arguing that X is easy to deal with unless Y doesn't work because if Y then X isn't easy to deal with and it negates the whole thing. : /

What are you even on about? Him being broken? X and Y?