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So then what you're saying here is that no weapon-wielders should ever attack with anything but their weapons? This is a fatal flaw in moveset design.

I don't mean to add fuel to the fire (Just take this as a comment from an idiot and I expect a paragraph as to why I'm wrong and should feel bad for opening my mouth) but Smash 4 kindof has a lot of these
Mii Gunner/Swordsman, Little Mac (It technically counts since he only ever uses his fists and nothing else), Mega Man for the most part, people like that
There are characters who can exclusively use one tool and still work out fine, in my eyes
It's just that it's rather hard to do. :chibirobo:


Think about the character you said for a second. Little Mac is a boxer, so he really shouldn't be using any other kind of move, that would be against his own style. Mega Man DOES use many different tools aside from it's buster: Leafs, uppercuts, slides, blades, swords; you can't really say that he only focuses on one thing. And the Mii Swordfighter it's true... untill you see that he has a reflector in DownB, and a projectile in both SideB and NeutralB (which actually has two). The character had to stay focused on what the game said it did (Use it's sword), but even then you by your own hand can do make the guy use the sword a little bit less. And Mii Gunner uses Bombs and different kinds of projectiles, but again, it had to remain loyal to what it's main "feature" was, the Gun.

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But then again, Bandana Dee already had a technique that against back strike (Back Thrust). If you had a technique specifically against back strikes that requires a weapon, wouldn't you use it instead of a melee attack?
Also, you're forgetting the fact that Waddle Dees are physically some of the weakest enemies in the Kirby franchise and NEED a weapon or vehicle to make some relevant damage (spears, parasols, walker mechs, cannons, mine carts, etc). The only ever good melee attack they're good at is the sliding attack, but even then, that one is only good for regular enemies and not bosses.

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yall didnt forget marth and roy, who use their swords for every move but throws, did you?

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Crow Lucario wrote:
yall didnt forget marth and roy, who use their swords for every move but throws, did you?


Fire Emblem is a game that is heavily focused on it's weaponry. Using punches and kick would be against what the main core of their games are. This is also shown in how Marth/Roy's throws are very fast and simple, without having too much KB, since this is not their strongest asset.

Bandana Dee however is clearly seen using more than just it's spear for attacking. The Waddle enemies have used a variety of things in their games. Spears, Parasols, Beams, sliding kicks and the sort. And you can't really say they are "weak" in the physical aspect when you consider that a Waddle Dee is your opponent in Megaton Punch, and he's not precisely bad at it.

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I said Waddle Dees were physically weak, meaning they rely on weapons or vehicles in order to do some relevant damage.
Also, I was refering to the core games, not small minigames that were merely put in because they were funny little distractions (Kirby is seen tearing the planet apart, yet the planet is still fine in later games).

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Kirb-Star wrote:
I said Waddle Dees were physically weak, meaning they rely on weapons or vehicles in order to do some relevant damage.
Also, I was refering to the core games, not small minigames that were merely put in because they were funny little distractions (Kirby is seen tearing the planet apart, yet the planet is still fine in later games).


It's a minigame in a main game, so it's relevant to it's moveset. SMB2 happens in a dream yet Peach still is a turnip master.

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No, this has nothing to do with canon. What I meant was that you shouldn't measure a character's strength with a minigame that exaggerated said character's or species' strength just for fun.
If a Waddle Dee is able to split the planet in half, wouldn't an entire army of them do fine against Kirby? No, because that minigame is only there for a quick laugh. End of story.
And seriously, would it really kill someone if Dee got Spear Barrage for his Neutral Combo? I know you want to make him "different" but that doesn't help when you just give him Kirby's F-Throw for absolutely no reason.

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Kirb-Star wrote:
No, this has nothing to do with canon. What I meant was that you shouldn't measure a character's strength with a minigame that exaggerated said character's or species' strength just for fun.
If a Waddle Dee is able to split the planet in half, wouldn't an entire army of them do fine against Kirby? No, because that minigame is only there for a quick laugh. End of story.
And seriously, would it really kill someone if Dee got Spear Barrage for his Neutral Combo? I know you want to make him "different" but that doesn't help when you just give him Kirby's F-Throw for absolutely no reason.

Welp looks like they better change MKMK's up and down throws then.

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MK can be passable because he's had those moves since Brawl, and I'm sure plenty of people including me would upset if they changed it. He's a veteran after all.
Bandana Dee is a new character so he's still in time to some modifications.

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Referencing particular animations/attacks from a character's home games as moves, just because they exist and not because they compliment the overall design concept or play of the character is a very good way to end up with a character that just feels thrown together, incohesive and generally far less enjoyable as a result, compared to a character that you might consider "less representative of their appearance in their games".

The fun, unique and cohesive moveset designs of newcomers in SSF2 is probably what I would consider one of its strongest suits, and a serious issue I have with a number of Smash fan games, not naming names.


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I almost forgot this section existed.
Yo Kirbs I don't think you should get this worked up :chibirobo:
I understand why you are but I'm sure slight moveset deviations from what you desire aren't gonna spoil the entire character for everyone else.
Of course more attacks from canon would be appreciated, as I too would try to squeeze in as many as possible, but at the end of the day function beats aesthetic.
Yes, he is a new character, so yes, changes are still possible. That also means they don't have to happen now when nobody here has even tried him out yet.
Remember at one point every character was once a "newcomer" to Smash, aka in Dee's position. There were bound to be complaints such as yours but after a few months those complaints cease to exist. The reason why we're fine with characters who don't utilize their full canon arsenal potential (aka every Smash Bros character ever) is because they've already been around for so long that we've become used to it. Trust me, it'll be the same with Bandana Dee: once he's settled in, you'll say no more. Just look at Luffy. He doesn't have every Gomu Gomu no Mi technique that could easily fit in within his moveset (i.e his famous Bazooka) but I don't see anyone complaining, not even the die-hard fans.
Sure, Bandana Dee may share a few moves with Kirby, but he's still far from a semi-clone, let alone a clone.
And hey, if you're still upset, there's still this long forgotten section.

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There are already two Bandana Dee movesets in that thread, one by Saikyoshi and another one by me.
Welp, since it seems my complaints are f*** useless here, I might as well start working on that fangame I promised last page.

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Kirb-Star wrote:
If a Waddle Dee is able to split the planet in half, wouldn't an entire army of them do fine against Kirby? No, because that minigame is only there for a quick laugh. End of story.


No, that's because Kirby is one of the most overpowered characters in the entire videogame universe :chibirobo:

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Seriously, that n**** has thrown a giant frying pan that revolved around the sun and back. He's a mini pink Goku.


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Also, in planet robobot, he is described as having "infinite power". He's not just Goku. He's Superman.

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