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MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 

Who should host next game?
Poll ended at Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:48 pm
CXCIV - Turnabout Mafia (Ace Attorney) 63%  63%  [ 12 ]
Terra - All-stars 2 (Roles based on previous mafia game roles) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
TheOneWhoKnocks - DotA-themed Mafia (Roles based on heroes from the games) 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
Axel - Kibgdom Hearts Mafia (uPick setup) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 19

MG Mafia XVII: JoJo's Bizarre Mafia (Fin) 
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Something about 194, though.

I swapped 194 and Kyuubit, Kyuubit died. Until we can confirm who attempted to kill who, though, it is by no means a town confirmation.

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Went through the player list.

1. TheOneWhoKnocks - Uncounterclaimed Joseph Joestar. Joseph is confirmed to be in the game by Dephius, Brik and Myself. Dephius is dead and confirmed town. I see no way that TOWK can be scum. You do mean Jonathan, right? Kyuubit just died and was confirmed to be Joseph.


6. Vanellope - Moderator said that Dr. Geno was a serial killer. It’s usually safe to assume that the Mafia have a kill. Vanellope has to be scum. I might be wrong here but just because Yoshikage Kira is a serial killer in the manga it doesn't have to make him a serial killer in the game.

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DJ Wizard Cop wrote:
Went through the player list.

1. TheOneWhoKnocks - Uncounterclaimed Joseph Joestar. Joseph is confirmed to be in the game by Dephius, Brik and Myself. Dephius is dead and confirmed town. I see no way that TOWK can be scum. You do mean Jonathan, right? Kyuubit just died and was confirmed to be Joseph.Yeah, I think that's a typo lol


6. Vanellope - Moderator said that Dr. Geno was a serial killer. It’s usually safe to assume that the Mafia have a kill. Vanellope has to be scum. I might be wrong here but just because Yoshikage Kira is a serial killer in the manga it doesn't have to make him a serial killer in the game.This is a possibility, but Geno popped up as a different color than the usually green town color. I'm thinking that blue is most likely 3rd party, which comes up with the question of whether or not Brik is actually 3rd party, because I don't usually see more than 1 3P player in a game.


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For the most part I agree with DJ's lynch pool, but I'd bump brik up to the front
Regarding Geno being an SK, he might have been conditional. His wiki says he hunted girls for the most part. Or, as Shoop said, he might not have had a killing power at all despite his character being a serial killer.

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6. Vanellope - Moderator said that Dr. Geno was a serial killer. It’s usually safe to assume that the Mafia have a kill. Vanellope has to be scum.


I don't get how you led to this from the first 2 sentences lol


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DJ Wizard Cop wrote:
*Requesting Deci does what he promised*

*Being stricken with the flu powers activate*

I'll place the player names in the same order as you to compare/contrast.

TOWK: He's confirmed, and if he wasn't he's been generally active. Town.
Delphis: Dead townie.
Geno: Dead third-party, since there were two kills night one and 194 claimed to have blocked Geno night one, who knows if he was a serial killer, I see it as likely though.
194: Actually had to go back to see what he has done, day one he mostly took pop-shots at calling out who he thought was scummy then letting the rest of us build/ignore it, said he would hammer since Geno hadn't shown up; did not do so. Day two he made the joke about lynching Terra again. I have to believe that was a joke regardless of alignment. He could very well be a role blocker. READ: Scum, likely role roleblocker. Check box for my big scum tells in this list.
Shoop: ZOMBIE, but a town zombie, so yeah.
Vanellope: I have a good felling that he's actually a vig, it makes sense if Geno really was roleblocked night one. There is a slight chance he could be scum, but it's much more likely he's town.
Deciton_Reven: Off and on activity like normal, but I'm not a vampire. Also I know I'm town, so leaning unclaimed town.
135: Replaced Terra, Terra was zombie town, so leaning town.
Brik: Hmm, I'm with everyone else, he is hard to read, he did claim non-town, but that doesn't actually yell scum to me.
RG4L | Champ: Sorta just clings to other people, not a lot of content, DO MORE, leaning scum.
Kyuubit: According to Authur, took a bullet for 194, I'd really like to know if Vanellope targeted 194 or Geno or didn't do a night action.
Authur: Trying to find a way to fit him in with my likely scum team, but failling. I guess he could be town busdriver, unlikely he could be a ? Mafia to make 194 look town with driving a hit "away" from him. READ: Likely town.
DJ: You have been doing a lot of good scum hunting, and some of your ?what? scum hunting. Don't remember if you claimed. Leaning town.
Thomas: I brought this up before but, a lot of villains have space/time influencing powers (some heroes did too). With the mafia not hitting him, mayhaps he's a mafia reviver that revives the dead as mafia players?

In this box a quote from 194 about Geno, it really feels like a Mafia member pushing little things fearing trying to off a potential town role blocker.
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So, under DJW request, I'm going to make a full ISO on Geno and come with a read based on it.

I'm ignoring all posts before this one because none of them appear relevant. Before this particular post, Geno had been away of the game.

His first relevant post appears at Sept 22th.

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And as much as this hurts myself to say so....

THAT WAS AXEL LEVEL PATHETIC.

Not quite.

Terra wrote:
L-2 by my count. I'll claim as soon as it reaches L-1.

C'est la vie. I'll respond to all accusations soon.

What will being at L-1 make any different? You'll just be at risk of a hammer.

Nobody vote Terra past this point. If you want to claim (as if a claim would really change much, since there's no proof), then claim.


Here Geno plays the safe card, in an action any reasonable town player would do. Nothing to be surprised of, but still good.

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Terra is lumping me as scum even though I made like two posts, one of which prevented him from being hammered

lol

Again, been afk for a while now because i'm setting up the school semester, but I'm catching up now. post soon


I did a first answer to this post, but now I can improve it:
Terra can put you as scum precisely because you did that. If you were scum, after a while of inactivity, putting yourself on the town spotlight by your last post (which again, is something any reasonable town player would do) is a well-crafted way to avoid possible scum reads so early, and still keeping the pressure on Terra.

However, I will agree that, at the time, it looked as a desperate maneuver from him, even as OMGUS if you want to think of it that way.

Something that has appeared to me as unusual is the following.

This post is from sept 30, 2:58 PM

Dr.Geno wrote:
Requesting minor deadline extension

Terra isn't going to get away that easily, he needs to detail his role before he gets lynched if you guys still plan on doing so. I haven't analyzed the game well enough yet to have a very informed opinion on him.


Notice how Geno appears unnattached to the idea of a Terra lynch.

Inmediatly after (Sept 30, 6:00 PM)

Dr.Geno wrote:
Nobody hammer until we have a confirmation from the mod on whether or not we're getting an extension. If we aren't i'll hammer i guess, since it doesn't look like there are many other people who aren't voting and are semi active.


Now Geno appears willing to hammer a lynch he wasn't particularly attached to just hours before.

AND NOW FOR THE MOST NOTORIOUS CHANGE

Dr.Geno wrote:
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With Terra telling the truth and back in the game, we should probably reconsider who we decide to hammer next time...But still take a bit of caution.

Excuse me?

We lynched the person who seemed like they were scum. We shouldn't "reconsider" anything. The person we lynch should consider playing better.

You're essentially saying "don't lynch anyone, they could be town!". Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Oh my god QFT x1000

Terra's play was nauseatingly bad. Super sketchy, hardly followed up on anything and relied WAY too much on "meta" for his own good. They all point toward scum tells. It wasn't the town's fault.


Here Geno pulls a reverse Thomas. Thomas situation was to be part of Terra's lynch Day 1 and then blaming us for it. Geno, on the other hand, barely participates on Terra's lynch (and he doesn't act really convinced on it) and then later pulls the whole list of reasons to defend that particular lynch. While I don't particularly disagree with any of them, his overly open defense to the lynch of a player which ended up being town is something that shakes me a bit.

In fact, at that particular point, he defends my vote threat on Terra, when that's than obviously stupid idea (voting a confirmed town is retarded, you know).

Then the whole Vanellope affair happens, and I'm curious. Geno keeps the pressure on him because of a mistake, while he doesn't admit his own mistake (hammering Terra) or mine (threating to vote Terra once confirmed). This appears unnatural, and almost biased against Vanellope (it's not like he doesn't deserve it anyways...)

With all those posts, I'd like to keep thinking he's town, but I'm not sure. However, everything I've said so far is only circumstancial evidence and nothing which proves him scum. As such, I'm modifying my Geno read:

Null, leaning towards scum


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If I see one more town post like this I'm quitting MG mafia. Or at least putting anyone who self votes and flips town on an instant MG black list. I'm that fed up with it. VERY untown.


THIS. From now on I'm treating any self vote as a scumslip. This includes you Shoop.

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My second piece is the crazy overreaction to TT being a multi night reviver. If TT is town, its scum getting peeved at an a large problem for the scum team (which doesn't seem like 194 to me). If TT is scum its a... a... I'm at a loss of words, some sort of scum play, but it's just weird. Maybe someone else should preform an analysis and tell me if I'm just seeing things.

I'm not comfortable voting until I hear what Vanellope did though. That and seeing something that might not be there are two things that influence this choice.

Preedit: Why do I suck at boxes?

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Again, how is a crazy reaction at something naturally overpowered so terrible anyway.

I could claim DJ Wizard JoJo and you guys would let it pass.

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It wasn't so much the reaction as it was the you trying to turn it against Thomas.

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Thomas, is there any particular reason you chose to revive Shoop?

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CXCIV wrote:
Again, how is a crazy reaction at something naturally overpowered so terrible anyway.

I could claim DJ Wizard JoJo and you guys would let it pass.

Did anyone or anything confirm a DJ Wizard JoJo to be in the game? Would a Mafia-aligned DJ Wizard JoJo be incredibly overpowered?

I keep thinking through every way that a reviver could be not-town, and every time I come up with some way to abuse it horribly.

Thomas' role might be overpowered (IMO it isn't because of the amount of deaths we're seeing) but it's indescribably more overpowered in Mafia hands.

I believe this post is an excellent example of cracking under pressure.

Vote: 194

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I haven't said a reviver could be not town.

I'm saying we could not have a reviver at all.

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The mod being a reviver doesn't fit with his character claim (Speedwagon). And I don't think the world this happened in people just randomly woke up from being dead. There has to be a reviver.

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I haven't said a reviver could be not town.

I'm saying we could not have a reviver at all.

You're suggesting there's a force that revives and confirms townies and can't be killed?

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And how is that less believable than an acutal reviver?

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