Possible matchups for newcomers and revamped characters. But really any matchup can be said here.

I was actually making a Kirby MU chart ever since Beta was released. I'll post it here when I'm finished

jigs beats issac.

Been working on one for DK, and while I think a lot of his matchups are either even or slightly losing, he could be the most stage dependent for MU character in the game.

Either way, only things that I kind of have a feel for is that DK loses super hard to Bandanna Dee and Bowser, kinda loses to Link, Mega Man and Tails, and the majority of characters otherwise are kinda in a hell of DK will barely win or lose but it's 100% based on the stage.

Marth independently is a character that the MU's either even, or -2 or worse depending on the stage you end up being on in my opinion.

Bandana Dee bodies DK. Considering BD has 3 ranges moves, almost no endlag on most of his attacks and down-b, which boosts him forward and KOs most characters at 120-140%. Nearly 100% to light characters like Kirby, Jigglypuff etc

His Dair also spikes so that's good for edgeguarding. His combo game is good, which is what DK players don't want in their' opponents and also a considerable amount of air time.

Not to mention that even if DK tries to use any of his smash attacks, he will most likely fail because of the size of BD and will be left open to even more attacks. But if he succeeds and BD's percentage is high, he is done for, in most cases.

As of now, I would say it's 70-30 or even 80-20 if you really know how to utilize every move of Bandana Dee very well. This is just my opinion, though.

Falco has a lot of good match ups but I think he has trouble with Wario, no?

Alright, thanks for adding onto my message. I feel like that my 80-20 (unless you are playing against a stupid DK, that is) matchup was stupid, 70-30 would be fine.

Have my crappy MU chart for Kirby.
I have no Pikachu or Bomberman experience and I don't really know how good or bad the Luigi MU is atm.

Opinion from a main who's still learning the MUs.

Imo, the hardest MU I see for might be .

If your under him and try to start an up air string, he can gaia which can stop you, his vines into up tilt or up smash I think kills at like 94% (I think someone said it kills him even earlier than that lol, no wonder they nerfed 's up air).

I think someone else said that can actually beat , but I'm still practicing, but I do know, you have to air dodge a TON in that MU to get in.

Against , I think actually wins that mainly cause of how much easier it is to combo him cause of his wait, and some of MK combos can make him end up off stage and that's where really shines in that MU cause of how good his edge guarding is (though you have to know how to edge guard perfectly as MK cause you can also end up sending back off stage instead of back off, and also have to space out his recovery so illusion or fire bird doesn't hit you). dair, destroys destroys MK too.

I kinda feel like vs is even.

I haven't fought many , but because of how good 's up air and combos are, it might be even between and ?

I feel like when you decide to space/bait out , wins that MU, even if uses his projectile, it gives (if already in the air) enough time to quickly fly over it and hit him.

vs , honestly, if we are going numbers here, i'd honestly say 55-45 in favor, or even. The only projectile has that annoys so much seems to be mostly crash bomb (if that's the name of it?).

Again, these are opinions, not facts (I think), so don't need to hate reply ty.

Also, I may make a chart too after gax saga for how else I feel about MUs.

Edit: I also am not mentioning everything that would/could happen in those MUs too.

https://gyazo.com/d2d98857481f404ed1f83607d5eb3b7f

Pretty much the Mega Man matchup chart.

I can't imagine Bomberman being even with Mega Man tbh. Doesn't his pellets go through the bombs?

Yea but what makes it even is the fact that Bomberman can limit Mega Man's movement from bombs so he can't just go to the edge of the stage in order to safely attack. So Mega Man has to be very careful when Bomberman places his bombs. But what prevents it from being a bad matchup as well comes from the fact that Bomberman requires setup for the bombs which gives Mega Man some time to setup his tools and get bomberman offstage with grab -> crash bomb and such.

Def has been a while since i've been able to play (working a camp, wifi isn't bad but the college has weird s*** that prevents the online system for SSF2 from working (have tried, all DC's). But between theorycrafting + what i remember before being on this forced sabbatical for 3 weeks, this is what i had in terms of DK MU's.

Long and short of it is that most DK matchups are both stage dependent and very volatile- the chart is less terrible than it appears because I think most of his MU's are close to even- he only has a few in either direction that are solid wins or losses.

(get a secondary for Bandanna and Bowser though, in my opinion).

Luigi slightly beats DK imo BC combos.

DK defiantly beats Bowser. He has a better grab game, better frame data, less landing lag, and is faster than Bowser. DK is basically a better Bowser in every way besides kill power and survivability.