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Okay. So. About Vesperia. The gameplay is great in my opinion and Yuri's quite the badass. I loved the game and then I got to the ending. I then looked back at everything and I was like.. what the f*** was I just loving.

So after my rant about Skyward Sword, I can see how you might think I just like to rant about games; but ugh. This is just.. damn. Not as bad as Skyward Sword, as it could keep my interest for a long-ass time, but I still have quite a few complaints. Keep in mind my memory is kinda foggy because it's been a couple of months since I finished it.

There will be spoilers. My spoilers will NOT be marked, as a bunch of my complaints are about the story. They'll be in boxes anyway.

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Okay. First things first. Party members. Honestly, I'm pissed that Estelle was basically the only healer. In Tales of Symphonia, you had Zelos/Kratos which could serve as somewhat of healers, and so could Regal. Now, let's take this into comparison; Zelos/Kratos both had wide-range healing spells and First Aid. Regal also had Healer and whatever his second skill was. Yes, sure, normally, you would be able to compare this to Raven and Karol. Raven had healing shot or whatever it was and Karol had Nice Healing Smash or something. But they both had really awkward controls and they didn't heal that much. Raven's healing shot didn't ever seem to do much for me; hell, I barely used it. Most of the time, when I did use it, my characters were losing health faster than regaining. And then Karol? You have to walk up to your ally? With the fact that chances are your allies are gonna be moving fast? That's kinda terrible.

Then we have the fact that Yuri, Karol, Repede, Judith, and Raven are all fighting characters. What the hell am I looking at? In Abyss, it wasn't possible to have an all-melee party. In Symphonia, they limited that to 4 (I'm counting Zelos and Kratos as one.) unless you count Sheena, who is more towards support/magic, although not by much.

Now, if the fact that they're all fighters isn't ridiculous in itself, the fact that three of them play really awkwardly when compared to Luke, Yuri, or Lloyd? Judith is mainly air combat, but she can only strike once or twice (excluding artes) in the air? Take a look at Emil. Look how well they had his air attacks. Karol is unbelievably slow in an almost uncomfortable way, but I'm gonna keep that as a personal thing, because he might be outside of my playing style (Although I can manage with Presea..). But then Raven. I really wanted to main Raven. I really did. But he plays so strange with the fact he changes fighting styles so fast. You might think you're far enough to use the bow when next thing you know, you're using knives and missing completely.


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Alright, now here's some things that were really bothering me. The story seemed really strangely paced and it was sort of a mess. Let's start with Estelle. She kept on randomly deciding what she wants and then changes her opinion seconds later. Does she want to go back with Flynn? Oh, for about a couple of minutes. Barely surviving even with six extra people accompanying you? Okay, then, you should probably decide to go across this blazing hot desert alone! Genius idea, Estelle!

Alright, let's push Estelle's personality aside, but still keep her there. Right after you retrieve the Aque Blastia, suddenly, talking bird tells Estelle she should die. There isn't much hinted about what Entelexia even are at that point, but they just randomly throw one in there so that now you have a reason to keep going. It was terrible timing to do such a thing. And you don't even bring the damn Blastia back to see how the town manages after that, and you give it to Flynn to do that? Wasn't that what you were sort of looking forward to?

Brave Vesperia for the entire game was a joke. Honestly, it felt like children's play. Yuri and Judith both feel like they're "playing along" and they barely know how any of this works. And Karol pushes so damn hard about how they can't do something. Who the hell is watching? Is there someone on your a** 24/7 so that you can't just get Estelle to where she needs to be? The fact that Karol's the leader is just making it worse. The most painful part of it all? Yuri takes it so seriously by the end, I don't even.. just.. wow. "Is Brave Vesperia nothing to you!? The Guild is more than just you now!" ..Well, yeah, I wouldn't take it too seriously either Yuri, it's children's play.

The game also brought things upon you quite strangely to the point where you don't know what the hell anything is anymore. Blastia is used for so much and they barely even go over it at first, and there you are, just sitting there with your poker face, going "what" the entire cutscene. I had to go on the Tales Wiki to just understand what Blastia were. Rita's mumbo jumbo that nobody can understand 90% of the time just enforces how irritating it is.

At the end, the game felt really rushed. Suddenly, Duke's a bad guy, you're going around killing your will-be summon spirits (which you don't even actually summon) and everyone decides that the world doesn't need Blastia and only tells a few people about it. Then they f*** over the entire world that survives on Blastia. ..k

Sodia's logic was worse than stereotypical "girl logic". So you save millions of people, save the guy she loved, fought Alexei and saved your party's a** as well, so she.. stabs you because she thinks you're a bad influence. The f***?


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Yuri, Estelle, and Rita's overpoweredness. Yuri's no-stagger skill is overpowered in itself. Rita can spam Tidal Wave with Overlimit and I can't be exact about Estelle.. But I know she's also overpowered.

Achievements were a b****. Plant Serpent where the boss will put its tail? Yeah, okay, because I can totally guess where it's gonna put itself. And shooting Yeager's heart? Oh God, that was a real pain..

Sidequests were so easily missed. I mean, you could cry, they were so easily missed. You would PROBABLY need a guide to hit every single one. I was pissed I couldn't fight Yeager's adorable lolis..


And that's the end of my ranting.

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Vesperia really was awful story wise but I think it excelled gameplay wise. The over-limit system was kind of
retarded though. It's nothing compared to Tales of the Abyss though.

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Yuri could heal with Guardian Field.


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Red wrote:
Yuri could heal with Guardian Field.

It still wasn't very efficient though. I can't name a moment where I actually used guardian field to heal.

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Kuro Kagami wrote:
Red wrote:
Yuri could heal with Guardian Field.

It still wasn't very efficient though. I can't name a moment where I actually used guardian field to heal.
I don't exactly remember if Guardian Field was ever combo efficient, but if it ever was, then there you go.

Efficiency would still be lacking though.


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Red wrote:
Kuro Kagami wrote:
Red wrote:
Yuri could heal with Guardian Field.

It still wasn't very efficient though. I can't name a moment where I actually used guardian field to heal.
I don't exactly remember if Guardian Field was ever combo efficient, but if it ever was, then there you go.

Efficiency would still be lacking though.

I meant healing-wise.

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If i may change the subject, how does everyone like Tales of Graces f? Im loving it right now :headbang:

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it is good, I am loving Sophie's clueless humor, especially when paired with Pascal to annoy Cheria.
But Right now I am playing Tales of Destiny DC, Got my translation script and I am really liking it, I'm happy I don't need to spend Gald on weapons, just Items. Stahn is awesome, favourite Tales protagonist.

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it is good, I am loving Sophie's clueless humor, especially when paired with Pascal to annoy Cheria.
But Right now I am playing Tales of Destiny DC, Got my translation script and I am really liking it, I'm happy I don't need to spend Gald on weapons, just Items. Stahn is awesome, favourite Tales protagonist.

There's a translation script for that version?
And Stahn is truly awesome.

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He's definitely got my style of playing, Traditional Tales Melee with quite a few spells, I hate Lion though. He's so....unlikeable for my tastes.

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Gonna post the popularity list.

01. Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia)
02. Lion Magnus (Tales of Destiny)
03. Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces)
04. Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss)
05. Alvin (Tales of Xillia)
06. Milla Maxwell (Tales of Xillia)
07. Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
08. Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
09. Rita Mordio (Tales of Vesperia)
10. Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia)
11. Emil Castagnier (Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World)
12. Guy Cecil (Tales of the Abyss)
13. Kratos Aurion (Tales of Symphonia)
14. Raven (Tales of Vesperia)
15. Cheria Barnes (Tales of Graces)
16. Flynn Schifo (Tales of Vesperia)
17. Jade Curtiss (Tales of the Abyss)
18. Sophie (Tales of Graces)
19. Spada Belforma (Tales of Innocence)
20. Reid Hershel (Tales of Eternia)
21. Leia Rolando (Tales of Xillia)
22. Colette Brunel (Tales of Symphonia)
23. Pascal (Tales of Graces)
24. Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia)
25. Elise Lutus (Tales of Xillia)
26. Presea Combatir (Tales of Symphonia)
27. Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss)
28. Richard (Tales of Graces)
29. Gaius (Tales of Xillia)
30. Estellise Sidos Heurassein (Tales of Vesperia)

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01. Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia) He's cool but doesn't deserve #1 in my opinion.
02. Lion Magnus (Tales of Destiny) Never played ToD, but I'm still shocked he kept his place.
03. Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces) It's to be expected. He's a newer main character. :v
04. Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss) Pretty nice place actually.
05. Alvin (Tales of Xillia) No opinion
06. Milla Maxwell (Tales of Xillia) No opinion
07. Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia) Get higher, dammit. You deserve #1.
08. Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia) Ehhhh.. I dunno. He's okay..
09. Rita Mordio (Tales of Vesperia) This is a fine spot for her.
10. Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia) No opinion
11. Emil Castagnier (Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World) I love him but I thought everyone hated him.
12. Guy Cecil (Tales of the Abyss) Eh, he was also kind of okay.
13. Kratos Aurion (Tales of Symphonia) Wow, his popularity really dropped.
14. Raven (Tales of Vesperia) Loved him, but I think this place is fine for him.
15. Cheria Barnes (Tales of Graces) No opinion
16. Flynn Schifo (Tales of Vesperia) Why does he have #12 and #16? Anyway, I didn't like the guy, but that's just me.
17. Jade Curtiss (Tales of the Abyss) why is he so low
18. Sophie (Tales of Graces) Adorable little loli.
19. Spada Belforma (Tales of Innocence) I like Spada as well, but this place is pretty fine.
20. Reid Hershel (Tales of Eternia) No opinion
21. Leia Rolando (Tales of Xillia) No opinion
22. Colette Brunel (Tales of Symphonia) I love Colette as well, but I'm shocked she made it on the list.
23. Pascal (Tales of Graces) Not much of an opinion, but some of her quotes were pretty funny.
24. Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia) He was also pretty okay but I didn't like the guy much.
25. Elise Lutus (Tales of Xillia) Ohhhh yeahh.. Wait, what? Anyway, her artwork is drawn weird but she's okay.
26. Presea Combatir (Tales of Symphonia) This spot is a little lower than I thought it'd be but she's adorable.
27. Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss) No opinion
28. Richard (Tales of Graces) No opinion
29. Gaius (Tales of Xillia) No opinion
30. Estellise Sidos Heurassein (Tales of Vesperia) how the f*** is she on the list

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List means nothing to me. Genis isn't in there.

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List means nothing to me. Genis isn't in there.

Genis's comment about Zelos made me smile.

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Yo didn't everyone say Emil is a f***** and a pussy but he ranked 11? I personally thought he was ok but whoa.

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