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I personally took it down for a few reasons:
1. I'm a scrub. Now stop calling me one.
2. Lunary has a point. Lloyd.
3. This is uncalled for for someone who is a backroom member. Not bringing BR affairs to the public, but this isn't how I should be acting.
4. I find it kinda laughable that 3 of my mains are on Zalo's list. So I have no right.

Happy, competitors?

What are the mains?

Kirby, Sheik (as Zelik, so I didn't count it), DK, and (no s***) Marth.

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Lol I play MK and like to think I use his moves intelligently, but yeah when I'm being comboed I just spam Attack like no tomorrow :)

Banning a character that isn't the best is ridiculous. The only reason a character should be banned is if they ruin the metagame. If Brawl MK didn't pass this test, then how does this Marth in a game with so much better balance? Scrubs play Marth because he's easy and his main faults (lag and defensive game) are neutralized by online lag. Sure, I can punish tipper OoS offline, but with lag it becomes a different beast.

However, Marth has a lot of people who use him well and aren't scrubby. (Well, maybe mine is a little bit, but still...)


Plus, any good player will crush a scrub Marth. (I speak from experience on both sides of this coin.) Unless you are playing Marth v Wario in a game with 15 frames of lag you should be able to win.



The characters IMO that gain the most from online are Fox (no insane juggles or 0-deaths as often), DK (same reason), Marth (harder to punish missed spacing), Ichigo (ditto), and Naruto (airdodge timing is harder to get down, harder to weave in and out). The others are just mostly where they are in an offline tier list.

I play DK (although I use dthrow -> fair instead of uthrow -> uair), MK, Sheik (guilty as charged with the holding shield), and a couple other pockets (Fox, etc.).

Who do you guys think are other good online characters?

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Doq? You should update the stage list a bit. ToS to Counterpick, is stricken if FD/3DS is, but you cant strike ToS to strike FD.

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Doq? You should update the stage list a bit. ToS to Counterpick, is stricken if FD/3DS is, but you cant strike ToS to strike FD.

Until the 14th....

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I'm not SmashCapps, so I don't have the writing capability to write a block of text about Hypest 5, so here's the bracket. Go nuts.
http://hypest.challonge.com/Mar14thSSF2Singles

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Doqtor Kirby wrote:
I'm not SmashCapps, so I don't have the writing capability to write a block of text about Hypest 5, so here's the bracket. Go nuts.
http://hypest.challonge.com/Mar14thSSF2Singles

11:00PM
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I won't attend it anyway ; London trip.

But real talk, SmashCapps should post those threads in THIS forum as well. You know something is wrong when you usually have more than 30 entrants then 14.

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Lunary wrote:
Doqtor Kirby wrote:
I'm not SmashCapps, so I don't have the writing capability to write a block of text about Hypest 5, so here's the bracket. Go nuts.
http://hypest.challonge.com/Mar14thSSF2Singles

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Oh. My. GOD.
I won't attend it anyway ; London trip.

But real talk, SmashCapps should post those threads in THIS forum as well. You know something is wrong when you usually have more than 30 entrants then 14.

SmashCapps is no longer part of Hypest.

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Then anyone from Hypest should do it.

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Lunary wrote:
Then anyone from Hypest should do it.

Why else am I posting this? :wee:

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Zalozis wrote:
For "Level 1" players (No defensive game exist. Haven't really learned the game or fundamentals yet)
- Kirby
- Link
- Samus
- Mega Man
- Sora

Pretty much zoning characters because they don't really know how to fight up close. Sora has an auto-combo move that does big damage, fast smashes to abuse because of c-stick and a decent recovery. Kirby, Sometimes.

Level 2 (Understands the basics, but rolls/spot-dodge too much with many failed grab attempts. Can't adapt to new/advance tactics)
DK - "I spam dash-attack and Utlit. When they're far, I charge Giant Punch, then boom. . . I miss. Let's try again. . ."
Naruto - Spams all clone special-move. When they're close, braindead dash-attack into Utilt combos endlessly.
Link - The same as level 1, BUT, they spam roll/spot-dodge Spin-Attack and rely on it way too much.
Marth - Never dashing. Spamming side+B at mid-range, Fsmash or Ftilt when they're closer, and Utilt/Uspecial when above.

Can't think of a solid fifth. There's Captain Falcons with Raptor Boost spam/ Lloyds that abuse lagless aerials from landing. Black Mages with no real thought process. Goku's who spam Ki-blast and Ftilt (because that move is fast and kills at a retarded 110% or earlier) And Ichigos who spam Dash-Attack, Utilt, and other fast moves. Pretty much a tie between all of those.

Level 3 (knowledgeable competitive players - skill varies, but understands the fundamental and the use of techniques. . . They know what and to abuse)
Marth - "I don't want to lose this set, so. . . *Dolphin Slash out of everything*"
Fox - "Are they slow than Fox? Go 20XX. Are they a light-weight? Up-smash is the answer. Versus a non-swordsman? This will bairly even be a challenging match."
DK - "It's online, so I am safe from chain-throws. Time to spam Utilt > Uair."
Sheik - "Trying to use like this Melee Sheik > Fails miserably > Begins hiding behind shield to grab"
Meta Knight - "Nair and I don't care if it doesn't work."

You forgot ZSS :)

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So, are you going to update the rankings, or are you going to scrap it in favor of something else?

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Don't you use a ranking system too , DE?

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Yep. In fact, I'll probably make a post on it following Smash Island X, since all subsequent tournaments will use it.

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I just updated them actually. Well, the sheet anyway.

And yes I'm going to use a new system starting from Smash Island X. It will be incompatible with XSSv2.1, so I will keep it for compatibility's sake.
e~ I just realized that DE and I are unveiling new scoring systems at the same time...


ILLUMINATIIIIIIIIIIIII

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Also, qqwx and ironH are the same guy. It's important that you check their challonge username when you do your new rankings. Their Ranking is 1.4, which puts them between Jammy and Auraka.

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