sumanai, tson-sama.

However the falco was likely not a Top-Level player. I mean Mega Man gets bodied by the spacies, but I've beaten quite a lot of fox/falco mains. But that doesn't change the fact that Mega Man loses against the spacies. Also you didn't even particularly win and the falco was oftenly a stock ahead. While given, your sandbag is pretty good. It doesn't really mean that hes a better character because someone is good at him unless the player achieves lots of results with the said character in tournaments.

Basically meaning that every character in SSF2 is completely balanced and skill-based
my tier list is correct, not a joke.

And I'm pretty sure Crep is a good player

Why arent you soaping


Also, does that mean Chibi becomes insta-good the next time I beat a meh Falco that doesnt seem to know the MU? No offense to Crept here, but that was way closer than it should have been.

Is Rev2Rev a good Cap. Falcon?

And to also note, when it comes to skill. It has to be based off of results as well to demonstrate the success of a character OR if the player discovers new techniques with his character which is added to the character's arsenal to help raise a character up in a tier list. So no, your joke tier list sadly isn't actually accurate.

From the Evidence I have gathered. I can conclude that you are clearly full of s***.

He was playing the MU correctly lol. My point is that he has true 0death combos that aren't particularly hard in a MU that he loses. That does not a bottom tier character make. He's a wild card, he's weird, but he's not bad.

Absolutely; in a bad MU, Sandbag can still get early kills and terrifying combos. But the same can be said of Sandbag, especially when recovering is still a liability. Falco basically wins the MU simply because Dair. He's not bottom by any means, especially in learned hands, but his status as a glass cannon will prevent top tier status.

I think Sandbag, next to Luffy, will be an incredible pocket counterpick in proper circumstance (stage/MU). But I'm hesitantly conservative to suggest he'll go beyond that save a few players that will devote themselves to him.


On a different note, definitely falls in high mid-tier. Watching some of the current tourney play, people are still learning the MU with abusing his recovery and overuse of side-B, but it's already clear that he struggles to kill if he cannot land neutral-B --> Usmash or d-throw/d-tilt/side-B --> Uair. And the relative slowness of u-tilt and Nair are holding him back a little bit in neutral because he can't challenge characters like Fox/Falco/Sheik with virtually instant Nairs and u-tilts without being overly committal. But on the flip side, he can generally create safe landings, combo well, and proper mixups will yield some really early kills.

What evidence? You have gathered nothing!
If there is, show me!

The fact that you said that something is accurate when you say is accurate reflects how s*** u are . (Not a joke)

On a latter note, I decided to (Once again) update my tier list.



Current Changes:

TopTier

Fox +1

Goku +5

Falco -2

High Tier

Meta Knight +0

Marth +0

Bowser +0

ZSS +2

Bandana Dee -5

Sheik +3

Mr. Game and Watch +0

Lloyd +0

Luigi -4

Mid-High Tier

Isaac +0

Mega Man +3

Tails +0

Zelda +0

Captain Falcon +2

Bomberman -4

Mario -1

Peach +1

Pikachu -1

Mid Tier:

Jigglypuff +1

Sonic -1

Samus +8

Pit +0

Chibi Robo +0

Wario -2

Ness +8

Pac-Man -2

Black Mage -1

Donkey Kong +2

Mid-Low Tier

Luffy -2

Ichigo -2

Link +0

Sandbag +3

Naruto -5

Sora -1

Low Tier

Kirby -1

Yoshi +0

I honestly think should be raised higher, and hopefully someone who knows his moves well might show people that he should move up on the list (also cause of the fact he has pocket witch time LOL).

Bowser is nowhere near top 10, let alone high tier. Sure, he has Up throw to Up Air which kills early and he has many kill moves with great kill power, but he is a bit slow, has poor frame data, has a lot of end lag and landing lag on his moves, his neutral is meh, and his recovery is mediocre. He also gets bodied by rushdown characters and projectile-heavy characters.