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Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

... The subconscious is something that is not a conscious action or bit of knowledge. As in you never think about it, you just think/do it

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.

I've never had much faith in humanity or the world itself, look around, there are wars, poverty, rape, murder, and none of it will change soon and in fact, I don't think it will change ever

It's always the Faith we used to believe in that we believe in the least as we grow and see the world...

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Captain Blueballs wrote:
Chernobog wrote:
Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

... The subconscious is something that is not a conscious action or bit of knowledge. As in you never think about it, you just think/do it

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.

I wouldn't say you actually do it, you just know it happens.

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Phratt jr wrote:
Captain Blueballs wrote:
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Ah yes, but what is the Subconscious? is it a way to escape reality? or is it something more?

Phratt Jr: Even when I believed in God, I had almost no faith at all in humanity or the world itself. I always thought that life only had meaning because some guy in space felt like giving it to me, and could have just as easily made me completely different or just made someone else instead.
But when you believed in God did you ever think that there was a reason he made you, why he put you on this Earth, he made you the way you are for he wanted you to fulfill your destiny and you couldn't do this if you were another person or looked any different, its just you have to find that destiny.

No, I believed that my existence was meaningless in the sense that somebody could've never created me and it wouldn't make anu difference. You can't honestly think I'd believe that "we all contribute to God's plan" crap, do you?

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Bought up atheist, although I've been more agnostic lately.
Agnostic Atheist? I dunno.

whats that?

It means I personally don't believe in a higher power, and even if there is one, I think there isn't any way of proving (short of whatever deity physically appearing before people) of proving it exists. Or something along those lines.

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I'm a Protestant, more specifically a Calvinist.

Though the statement on the first page that faith would be all needed for salvation in Calvinism (and virtually all of Protestantism), it is usually understood to encompass a little more than just accepting God's existence, though the exact theological definition of faith remains unclear.

If you accept metaphysical existence, theism seems more likely to me than atheism. If a Creator wants to create a eorld out of nothing, probability is one. If the world is to be derived from a mechanistic metaphysical process, probability of a universe like ours will be infinitesimal and neglegible, if you allow for different variables for physical constants, different sizes of universes and what else. You could argue that we live in such a universe by that chance, but it does not provide enough arguments of the likelihood of the theory in my opinion. Of course, the evidence is not conclusive for any of the options, God or godless.

If you reject metaphysical existence, you are to say the Big Bang has no cause and that would ruin our four-dimensional causality, which in turn would overturn large portions of science, which draws heavily from causality.

Of course this leads to the question: "What caused God?" I think the main difference here is that since God would be metaphysical, there is no need for Him to follow four-dimensional causality, for all we know He could experience a very different version of spacetime in the sense that time could be the same to him as space is to us. (This is usual called the ten-dimensional theory.) Should anybody want to pursue this little discussion, feel free to do so, but I'll stop for now.

I generally have a Barthian understanding of Scripture, a focus on the message, but allowing a historical interpretation at times (I do not exclude miracles, for instance). I'd like to read more about liberation theology and neo-Calvinism aside reading about Karl Barth's dialectical theology, because what I know of them so far is very interesting. (Liberation theology is a Marxist version of theology that is mostly Latin American and Catholic, but also has movements in other sects of Christianity, Jeremiah Wright was a black liberation theologian. Neo-Calvinism is one of the most important foundations of Christian democracy, which has spawned Europe's very own "Machiavellian, iron-fisted" ruler. :P)

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I'm a Protestant, more specifically a Calvinist.

Though the statement on the first page that faith would be all needed for salvation in Calvinism (and virtually all of Protestantism), it is usually understood to encompass a little more than just accepting God's existence, though the exact theological definition of faith remains unclear.

If you accept metaphysical existence, theism seems more likely to me than atheism. If a Creator wants to create a eorld out of nothing, probability is one. If the world is to be derived from a mechanistic metaphysical process, probability of a universe like ours will be infinitesimal and neglegible, if you allow for different variables for physical constants, different sizes of universes and what else. You could argue that we live in such a universe by that chance, but it does not provide enough arguments of the likelihood of the theory in my opinion. Of course, the evidence is not conclusive for any of the options, God or godless.

If you reject metaphysical existence, you are to say the Big Bang has no cause and that would ruin our four-dimensional causality, which in turn would overturn large portions of science, which draws heavily from causality.

Of course this leads to the question: "What caused God?" I think the main difference here is that since God would be metaphysical, there is no need for Him to follow four-dimensional causality, for all we know He could experience a very different version of spacetime in the sense that time could be the same to him as space is to us. (This is usual called the ten-dimensional theory.) Should anybody want to pursue this little discussion, feel free to do so, but I'll stop for now.

I generally have a Barthian understanding of Scripture, a focus on the message, but allowing a historical interpretation at times (I do not exclude miracles, for instance). I'd like to read more about liberation theology and neo-Calvinism aside reading about Karl Barth's dialectical theology, because what I know of them so far is very interesting. (Liberation theology is a Marxist version of theology that is mostly Latin American and Catholic, but also has movements in other sects of Christianity, Jeremiah Wright was a black liberation theologian. Neo-Calvinism is one of the most important foundations of Christian democracy, which has spawned Europe's very own "Machiavellian, iron-fisted" ruler. :P)
Dang it, I just woke up :P

I'm pretty sure we have a theological definition of faith: complete confidence in a being or plan. Works for me. A lot of people take faith to be unjustified or at the very least 'a leap of faith' whereas that isn't always necessary.

I don't know what you mean by probability is one

The funny thing about the big-bang is that so many people say it disproves religion, no one asks 'well where did the big bang come from?' a question that really points to God, the concept that a whole Universe coming from nothing all by itself.

The stuff about God in space-time I'm not so comfortable with: God made space-time, therefore he can be outside of spacetime (though without having made a closed universe; impacting it, holding it together etc.)

Who created God? Revelation 22:13 says
God wrote:
'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end'
ie. he was there from the very beginning, not the beginning of everything but before that. For someone to have made God, they would have had to be around before that.

Regarding your theological view, in agreement, I forward you to 1 Thessalonians 5:21
Paul wrote:
Test everything. Hold on to the good.
ie. don't follow anything blindly, the verse before it,
Paul wrote:
do not treat prophecies with contempt
which I take to encompass all miracles and the like.

Just letting you know, you've outstripped everyone with that post in theological understanding. How old are you and where did you learn it?

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Y'know, only 10% of the Bibles prophecies haven't come true yet, I thnk it's something you can trust.

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10%? No way, there are much less than that yet to be fulfilled. There are 1817 prophecies in the bible and the only ones yet to be fulfilled are referring to the end of the world.

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Im a christian.

And i don't think anyone ever really has NO religion (except the emo's out there)... I think everyone lives for something, whether it be money , family, gaming, gambling, food :snack: ,etc.
Everyone puts something first, and i think if you have no religion and therefore "Honor no one" then your actually honoring what you spend time with.

DVDV's right... Everything in the bible has been fulfilled except for Jesus' returning (the end of the world). Please, if you really think a lot haven't, point out one that hasn't been fulfilled and isn't about the end of the world.

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You're going on about life centres, what you focus your life on, not religion. While they overlap, they aren't the same thing.

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Why yes, I'm highly religious!

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I'm Mormon and I think it is interesting to learn about what others believe and don't criticize other beliefs.
I have noticed the faith thing a few posts earlier and would like to add something to it: faith is a hope for things which are unseen, but true.

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