There are a few characters that are just kind of poopy, Kirby and Yoshi being the first to come to mind. Kirby (for example) in particular has been average-tier in every smash game but the 64 version. Most people blame this on his archetype; floaty and short-ranged. His move set is practically unchanged since Melee and he's been not-good ever since. Do you think he or anybody else who is either reliably bad or boring just needs a revamped move set?

imo, I would say , but should keep the jumps (ofc), inhale and maybe forward smash and hammer? (I think a lot of people like his hammer right?).

I think that , and could be revamped to be more canon.

For example,Mario's Spin Attack from SMG No,his Down B doesn't count. could be his NAir, Luigi's Down B could use the Poltergust and Bowser's Up B could use the Koopa Clown Car

Fox's model needs a remake pretty badly.
Kirby's needs a remake as well, mostly his hammer and Up-B (I think making his Up-B the Project M one would look interesting)

Can we stop with the "MAKE THE CHARACTERS MORE CANON XDDDD" thing
Also, just like you, I think that Kirby needs a lot of rework. I don't know what's been through the devs' minds when nerfing the s*** out of Kirby when they were making Beta, but it sure as hell didn't do him any justice.

RIP Kirby, One of my favorite Nintendo characters. If only Sakurai was here, Kirby is his favorite, he'd buff him.

If Sakurai was here we would have 10 KI reps, 20 FE reps and no Bandana Dee

Tell that to King Dedede
Nerfed in a good majority of the patches, you can Jump out of his FINAL SMASH (Provided your character is fast enough/has a teleport,) he was already garbage to begin with (And the patches only made him worse and worse) and he hasn't gotten a single buff
Add that with his already terrible movepool such as Gordo Toss' horrible drawback (Know how much it takes to deflect a Gordo? 2%. Any move that does 2% or more can reflect a Gordo and send it to Dedede at mach speeds,) among others, and his voice isn't from the TV show, c'mon, everyone loves a Texan Dedede
It's a tragedy

It's a tragededede.

A Dededisaster

He certainly was dededebuffed

Anyway

Sakurai nerfed basically everyone who was top 15 in brawl IIRC to decrease the skill gap and even up the metagame

He's very principled

What are you saying bud? is top 10 in brawl and Sakurai buffed him by getting rid of his only Wario Land reference in favor of a laggy generic punch. http://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/27/sak ... eaders-44/

- 'nuff said
- I think a few of his moves and properties need to be altered. And no, it's not really a case of "Make him more canon", I mean stuff like that janky Dash Attack
- Please change his hurt SFX, I dunno about yall but it just seems wrong to me

I think it just needs some touchups; shaving them thicc black outlines for example would already make some difference

Fair point, but his bike did get nerfed, and he's no longer top 15. I just figured he got nerfed in some way I was unaware of, since I haven't played Brawl in years and didn't even play Wario then.

I'm no expert about this game.
However, I think Wario's Sprite could change a bit, by that I mean his Biker outfit!
Who doesn't like the Biker outfit?

Plus, I know its difficult, But Wario's Bike as his side B would be amazing!
Maybe a few Changes to Kirby and Yoshi. They don't deserve bottom tier, Honestly.

Edit: Fixed my Sig, you can stop talking about it now