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Mikael-Fernandes wrote:
i've been wondering why most people put lloyd at top tier.
any explanation,pls?


Where to start... Long ranged disjoints, insane priority, extremely easy combos that dont care about DI, an UpB that allows lagless airials, no lag in general, good edgeguarding game and being easy to play in general. His only weaknesses are him kinda lacking kill power and a controversial recovery, I think its pretty average.

On another note, has anyone tried to use SDI to escape a few combos? UAir for example. Its a single hit, but you are still able to SDI a bit. Does this make any difference?

SDIing and DIing can stop some of Lloyd's combos. And Lloyd's long animations for certain moves make him an open target. He does have some startup lag, but no ending lag except his normal dair.

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Lloyd needs 7 jumps. His N-air also needs to do 40% and deal the same amount of knock back as DK's neutral special.

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0_ZeroSuitUser_0 wrote:
Lloyd needs 7 jumps. His N-air also needs to do 40% and deal the same amount of knock back as DK's neutral special.


yeah man

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lloyd... as a :blackmage: main i HATE LLYOD. god dammit its annoying dealing with his hit everything that doesnt jump attack when im cahrging up any smash or something. can we plz nerf :lloyd: :hmph: i understand that it would be unfair 2 get rid of all black mage counters but at LEAST make the down attack less annoying forcing you to stay in the air (ps plz dont add lil mac if u keep his cheap down attack)


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lloyd... as a :blackmage: main i HATE LLYOD. god dammit its annoying dealing with his hit everything that doesnt jump attack when im cahrging up any smash or something. can we plz nerf :lloyd: :hmph: i understand that it would be unfair 2 get rid of all black mage counters but at LEAST make the down attack less annoying forcing you to stay in the air (ps plz dont add lil mac if u keep his cheap down attack)

Fun fact - Lloyd was actually nerfed from 0.9a to 0.9b.

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epiccraft1000 wrote:
lloyd... as a :blackmage: main i HATE LLYOD. god dammit its annoying dealing with his hit everything that doesnt jump attack when im cahrging up any smash or something. can we plz nerf :lloyd: :hmph: i understand that it would be unfair 2 get rid of all black mage counters but at LEAST make the down attack less annoying forcing you to stay in the air (ps plz dont add lil mac if u keep his cheap down attack)

Fun fact - Lloyd was actually nerfed from 0.9a to 0.9b.

and then he was nerfed a lot from the 1st 9B patch --> current 9B patch


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He's still really dumb, I feel like v0.9b has more fluid movement compared to v0.9a. And I'm guessing thats why he's higher on the tier list.

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i hate his up tilt and up air

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UPDATED:
Here's the MU list again, with values. For summa dat pazzas and detail :pikachu: (note: character's value first, then lloyds)

MUs Lloyd wins:
:mario: 30:70
:kirby: 20:80
:fox: 35:65
:ness: 35:65
:sonic: 30:70
:wario: 20:80
:sheik: 35:65
:captainfalcon: 40:60
:jigglypuff: 25:75
:yoshi: 30:70
:marth: 40:60
:chibirobo: 25:75
:ichigo: 35:65
:samus: (not too sure about this, so i'll assume 30:70)
:zelda: 30:70

MUs that are close/debatable/grey areas:
:link: 45:55
:megaman: 40:60
:pikachu: 45:55
:peach: 45:55
:bomberman: 45:55
:blackmage: 45:55
:sora: 45:55
:naruto: 50:50

MUs Lloyd loses:
:tails: 65:35
:donkeykong: 65:35
:metaknight: 60:40
:zerosuitsamus: 60:40
:goku: 75:25

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MUs Lloyd loses:
:zelda:

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Lloyd MU Chart for everyone acting like a whiny b$%&#:



MUs Lloyd loses:
:donkeykong:

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MUs Lloyd wins:
:zelda:


guys what r u talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Suli Hyuga wrote:
Lloyd MU Chart for everyone acting like a whiny b$%&#:

MUs Lloyd wins:
:mario: :kirby: :fox: :ness: :sonic: :wario: :sheik: :captainfalcon: :jigglypuff: :tails: :yoshi: :marth: :chibirobo: :ichigo: :samus: :zelda:

MUs that are close/debatable/grey areas:
:link: :megaman: :pikachu: :peach: :bomberman: :blackmage: :sora: :naruto:

MUs Lloyd loses:
:donkeykong: :metaknight: :zerosuitsamus: :goku:

You're welcome, NA.

Lloyd loses to Tails according to Chaos. And DK v Lloyd is 50 50 imo

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Link vs Lloyd is not close, in my opinion. Lloyd wins hard.

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