Sorry for double post but port priorty is no more, so how will this affect the metagame. Also Pichu.

Some Things to Note (Also there were some balance changes):

Pac-Man is now Top 10 and High Tier (FINALLY!):

After being an overrated character that apparently everyone thinks is super good, Pac-Man got the buffs he deserved and the removal of some of his more infamous glitches. Pac-Man's ability to now Shorthop Double Forward-Aerial and ability to properly kill with Back-Throw along with the fact that you can now use fruits after it hits the opponent may not sound like much, but it makes Pac-Man's ability to kill and combo significantly better removing two of Pac-Man's BIGGEST weaknesses. Pac-Man's other weaknesses (Mediocre mobility and lack of range) are less of an issue because of trading and the new mechanic changes along with a couple of other improvements to Pac-Man as a character alongside most of his worst matchups getting nerfed.

Luigi is REALLY Good and is likely around the Top 15-5 territory:

Luigi now has an actual combo game that allows for him to 50/50 up-throw dair which kills around 80 and up-air up-b which kills at 60 properly. A lot of his hitboxes were improved so they function correctly along with Neutral-Air receiving the active frames it deserved. The new trading system REALLY helped with luigi and fireballs are basically transcendent again making Luigi super good. Because of the trading system and the fact that Luigi now has a great neutral and one of the best frame traps in the game with a good ability to wall out most characters, Luigi is actually very good now.

Pichu is Fantastic:

Being as fast as Falcon, having a super short hurtbox, and having lots of great frame data and more along with Pichu just being generally hard to hit with a great neutral game while having lots of kill power and kill confirms (Up-Throw to Discharge Up-B for example). Pichu is definitely around high tier at least.

Zero Suit Samus is really Good:

Zero Suit Samus got the buffs she needed to have a potent recovery while having a great ability to combo and to do a lot of things now along with just having more ways to mix up her generally good mobility with her new crawl and Zero Suit Samus gained some decent ways to Zero to Death now.


There were a lot of other notable changes like the buffs to Sheik, Pit, Naruto, Peach, etc. However these are my general thoughts.

My Top 10 for Beta 1.1!
S Tier: Fox, Chibi-Robo, Meta Knight
A+ Tier: Pichu, Luigi, Lloyd, Link, PAC-MAN, Yoshi, Bandana Dee
Share how much you think it sucks now!

After the changes I feel like the before very over-rated character meta knight is actually pretty good now.

The jumps feel amazing, his recovery feels great (tho people who usually use down b to recovery gotta adjust to how the distance of down b is now shorter).

People are also saying in the discord he's got new ways to 0 to death people now (don't know if it's true cause you can usually di out of a lot of his combos).

Side b is amazing and i can rely on it so much more now for recovery.

I think MKzair said he's a$$ now, but i think he's wrong.

In competitive ssf2 play i think meta knight is going to be seen a lot more doing good and hopefully finally be seen a lot more in the top 8s.

Tier List Top 10
SS: Chibi-Robo
S: Fox, Meta Knight, Pichu
A+: Lloyd, Luigi, Yoshi, Mario, Bandana Dee, Pac-Man

This is the tier list for beta 1.1.0.1:

Top:
A+:
A:
A-:
High:
B+: Pichu
B-:
Mid:
C+:
C:
Low:
C-:

does need some more buffs so he can get higher on the tier list. This means...
Back Air needs a sweet spot.
Kirby's UAir will now involve using the Wing Ability.
Final Cutter horizontal knockback increase.
Kirby's version of Strike Raid needs some shorter end lag so more combos can fit in.
Kirby's version of Kamehameha will not restart the charge when Kirby hits the floor while charging in midair.
Kirby's version of Charge Shot needs shorter end lag so he can fit in more combos.

Which buffs do you want from Kirby? Let me know!

Mains:

Secondaries:

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Tier List Mark 2
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what?

Yeah, that makes no sense.
Also Tier List Mk 3!

I'm gonna need a long as f*** post to tell you exactly why that tier list is garbage.

Let's start with S Tier. I now pose the question of What the actual f*** is Pichu doing up there? Pichu is light, has next to no range, dies relatively early to everything, and has a mechanic that cripples his disadvantage state as soon as he hits 50%. Sure, he's got a good punish game, but Pichu loses hard to a LOT of characters and I stand by the opinion that he's one of the only truly bad characters in the game. Aside from Fox being too high, and Chibi being a tad high, it's generally okay.

Next tier - A+. Bandana Dee and Bomberman do not belong up there. Bomberman is an overall decent character but Bandana Dee doesn't belong anywhere near the top 10. It's especially silly when you're leaving Sheik and Peach outside of the top 10 and putting Bandana Dee of all characters in top 10. Dee got hit extremely hard by the gravity changes and now suffers from being a character who dies early to everything and still doesn't kill very well. His new dash attack is not as much of a hefty improvement on his old one and his new Dair is decent but still not great, as whilst he's a much better designed character overall, he's fallen victim to power creep and he's still a bit of a gimmicky post turtle. Everything else bar Yoshi who I'd move much lower is not too bad imo.

A Tier is solid aside from Wario and Goku. Goku's a bad character carried by a pretty good Kaioken, making him more of a worse 9b Goku and Wario just isn't as good as that honestly. Probably the best tier you've come up with.

A- Tier...well, Naruto and Ness are a little high and Falco's way too low especially with the gravity changes being as good to him as they are, Mega Man being here is bad. Mega Man isn't good anymore. His recovery is relatively easy to edgeguard and other zoners just do his job at zoning at mid range just a little better.

B Tier only has one accurate placing and that's Pit. Sora's a bit worse than you'd think, Black Mage is garbage and Peach is hella good even with losing reverse turnip. Sora's reliant pretty heavily on gimmicks especially with his overall toolkit being nerfed as much as it was, Black Mage is functional, but functional doesn't really cut it with the cast being as good as they are, and he really only is better than Pichu and Sandbag IMHO, and Peach is just 1.0.3.2 Peach without horrendous swordie MUs and reverse turnip.

I'll cover the whole of C Tier cause it's tiny. Bowser and Pikachu belong much higher. Pikachu just does everything better than Pichu and his only real issue is having serious Marthritis, and Bowser now has an actual neutral and the meta now allows for more aggressive play which helps Bowser as a defensive powerhouse. (Also gonna drop it here that Bowser has the ability to 0-death almost every character off a grab/aerial). Jiggs belongs higher because actual rest setups and trades, and there are a lot of characters who are just worse than everyone in that tier bar Sonic who should really be where Bowser is.

And now Luffy. Luffy probably belongs around A- tier purely because his main problems have been fixed. Port and Kill Power. The loss of port still gives Luffy a better neutral, albeit still not great, but having actual kill setups to play around with off his aerials and command grabs makes Luffy a seriously powerful force, especially given how much he can capitalise off a neutral win with his excellent combo game and pretty good kill setups.

I will post a tier list here in a bit once I make one up, so call this a <RESERVED> section.

Why Pichu in Best Rank?! and Why in Low Rank?