Low-tiers with good High-tier MU's
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Pokepen
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I've heard someone say that kirby beats fox at least 70:30. He talked about how kirby had ridiculous priority and beats alot of characters that lack disjoints. edit: It was Zalozis | | | | Zalozis wrote: My guess is that he has several even to winning match-up against A and S-tiers. vs. Sheik, he's pretty good. He mostly out-prioritizes her moves with his own. She's easy juggle food for him and a pretty simple to deal with recovery. A Bair off stage can kill her pretty easily. And he's small and light, so he avoids a lot of her follow-up and it can be torture trying to land a Fair or Bair on Kirby as Sheik. Every Sheik player needs to good Zelda against Kirby. vs. Donkey, this is even in my opinion, but it's a wild match-up. Kirby can juggle the hell out of DK at any percent because of the low scaling on all of his Up moves. At 0%, Usmash > Usmash > Usmash > Uair string > Hammer for KO is a very easy BnB combo. The other side is that DK can kill Kirby at 50% with most of his moves, and kill at 0% with a Charged-Punch. vs. Fox is probably like 70 or more for Kirby. Launch moves that give a ton of time for a hammer follow-up, a bunch of low-angled moves to gimp, and a good sort of high priority moves to edge-guard with (Bair, Dash-Attack, Fsmash). Fox has to be careful because it's very easy for Kirby to remove a stock in a single sequence. He also fairs quite well against the other B-tier on this list, so there's that. In a lot of match-ups, if you're not a swordsman or lack disjoints, you can't hit Kirby during his Dash-Attack. The moves is incredibly stupid in priority and hit-boxes. | | | | |
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Last edited by Pokepen on Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:01 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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TheCodeSamurai
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How is that related?
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Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:57 pm |
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Pokepen
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I guess it wasn't related to the post I was quoting so I'll edit out that quote. It's related to the thread for sure though
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TheCodeSamurai
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Yeah, we discussed that MU at length. I think it's doable as Fox if you play as lame as possible (read: camping lasers, run-in dtilt dash-away, Sliding Shine drill-shine-usmash or similar for punishes, bairing or nairing any Kirby approach and/or running to the other side of the screen, and just win the war of attrition).
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I'm already using a mechanical keybaord actually.
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TheCodeSamurai
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Damn. Have you tried getting a good ergonomic keyboard ( this keyboard is super nice if you don't use Space, because that key is hard to tap quickly)?
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How do you guys rate vs ?
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:05 am |
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TheCodeSamurai
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Fox wins the MU, partly because shinespikes are really good but mainly because Fox has a reflector and speed to get in, can do heavy damage off of punishes, and can get Megaman offstage, while Megaman sorta has to rely on cheese to try and win. I think MM has a chaingrab, but I'm not sure. MM can edgeguard Fox really well, though, so that complicates things. I'd say 60-40 Fox.
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RagnorokX
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Im very new to the competitive scene so if my advice is invalid its because i suck at smash pretty badly. I play mostly of instinct. Anyways, has a chaingrab(d-throw). But you cant continue the chain above around 45 on .
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TheCodeSamurai
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I think MM's chaingrab only works at super low percents if you DI correctly. It for sure doesn't work above 40% because you go into knockdown.
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Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:03 pm |
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RagnorokX
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thats what i said, at least i think so.
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TheCodeSamurai
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I just tested it: if you DI out, you can Shine before they can regrab at 0%.
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Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:50 pm |
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