I've been trying really hard to set up a post, or reply to people but my ideas keep changing as I write. I know it isn't you, so like I said that leaves Brik, 194, and Cactush. All of them don't give me any reason to truly suspect them as scum. 194 and Brik and really good Mafia players, so even if they have town reads I'm prompted to not believe them. I would believe a Brik Cactush team because I don't believe they've interacted much if at all the entire game. But really it could be any number of combinations. Brik 194, 194 Cactush, Cactush Brik.

The literal only thing we have to go off of right now is that 194 has a busdriver ability. His actions while using the busdriver ability have been town like ever since the beginning. It could very easily be a coverup... ugh. I think if we're going to vote today (which we are) then we should choose between Brik and Cactush. If one is town, then it's a 50% chance of mislynching and losing the game. We have to decide on something.

Losing the game on a 50% mislynch is assuming there are two mafia left.

Geno: I've used my ability towards myself half the time. I wouldn't be directing stuff towards myself, risking potential kills, if I was scum.

So, it's either Brik or Cactus for me.

Well, I'd like to know what Brik's ability is. From that, we can determine which one's the mafia based on how their abilities would benefit the mafia or town.

Yeah, that's very true.

Well, if you were mafia, you would know who you were killing, so you would be able to direct actions from someone else other than the one you were killing. You could also direct whatever happens towards you so that whoever you were directing from would, for example, get investigated as a guilty.

What's the Busdriver Ability?

He directs all night actions to somebody/himself for the night.

Haven't had the chance to finish my full analysis of the game yet, but I figured I should pop in to address some of the more recent things.

You can't just say this and expect us to let you off the hook, silly. The possibility of a scum link doesn't vanish because you don't like your partner. : P

Just pointing out that this doesn't actually prove anything. The mafia are the main supplier of kills in the game. So if you were scum you wouldn't be risking redirecting the kill towards yourself because you would know where it was headed in the first place. Also of note is that the only proof we have that you redirected towards yourself is Geno's investigation. Each of you seems to be confirming the other as town. This doesn't automatically make you scum, obviously, but it does raise suspicion.

This reasoning is rather weak; Cactush hasn't interacted much with anyone at all. Anybody could say the same thing about any Cactush combination and it would be true.

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Yeah I guess so, you can retain your suspicions, but i'm just lettin' ya know it's not what's going on here.

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That's a good point in the first half. In the second half you go into saying how confirming each other as town doesn't clear us from being scum but, how do you expect anyone to confirm each other? I mean nobody is truly confirmed until they're dead of course, but after my ability it makes it pretty clear that Apple is town, and 194 has a good possibility of being town. I'll go back over my investigations and post them, maybe that'll help. I want to believe everyone is town but I know two people are deceiving. I have to keep that in mind

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All of our reasoning is weak, of course. We aren't going to find any surefire evidence, so we need to piece together as much as we can through the small ones.


If you're mafia, It seems like you're trying to dig up suspicions on everybody so you and your buddy will have more wiggle room.

I'm not sold anyone is mafia right now, but using the small hints that we've been given I've narrowed it down to you and Cactush. If you're town, try to defend your innocence. Do you have any proof that you may be town?

Adding on Brik's point, there's the fact that Mafia kills appear to avoid "good" players (Geno, Brik and apparently myself). Even the most recent mafia kill targeted an inactive player (and an inactive third party at that).
A summary of mafia kills (all night kills for that matter) here:
-Night 1: King Arthur (no information aside of a claim)
-Night 2: Lucina (already proven to have been killed to set up 135)
-Night 3: Nixter (Nothing useful for the town) + Shoop (killing confirmed town to keep most suspicious players alive and ready for lynches)
-Night 4: Red (inactive).

The fact that none of us have died reveals that at least one of us is probably scum. Given that I know I'm not scum, it's one of you: Geno or Brik or Cactush.

I'm going to be away for a while, but I'll be back in some hours. I'm going to do what I said: a full ISO of Axel's posts. He MUST have slipped some useful information. If you want to help with that process, I'd thank you.

What I meant to say was that it looks like the two of you specifically were working towards mutual confirmation. Without a third person vouching for one of the two, it doesn't mean anything at this stage of the game.

Oh, right. I had forgotten about that. Actually, now that I think about it, that goes a long way towards giving you town credibility, because scum would have little reason to confirm a townie at this stage. Unless... It's you and Apple? Meh. I have a hard time believing Apple is scum regardless of your investigation results, so +1 townie point for you.

I can see where you're coming from, but you have to look at this from my perspective. Pachino is, for all intents and purposes, town. I'm fairly certain that Apple is town based on his play. That leaves you, 194 and Cactush, which is a terrible pool of potential scum to choose from because I would like to believe that both you and 194 are town. Obviously I'm wrong about one or both, so I have to attempt to throw some dirt around in the hope that some of it will stick. Basically this:


I can claim, if you would like, but beyond that I can offer little aside from my play. My role doesn't give me results of any kind, nor have I been able to use it in such a way as to provide evidence for the validity of my claim.

I think you've hit it right on the button. The problem is that all three of us can say "I know I'm not scum, that leaves [Geno] / [194] / [Brik] + Cactush," and that gets us nowhere.

@Pachino: As the only confirmed town, your input on this would be greatly appreciated.

For sure. I'm in the process of doing that myself. It would be helpful if everyone did it, actually.

Starting the ISO process!



Joke vote. Why Geno? can't say for sure.



Another joke vote.



At this point, Axel was voting Geno. We know now that Arthur was town, DJ/Auraka/Red was 3P and Lucina is town. It's noticeable how he puts pressure on geno somehow, but never justifying.



The first weird post on his side: Axel trying to pin a case on geno contradicting his very own words.



It calls my attention that he calls Brik "active and helpful" while also giving him a null read.



Another reads list. He puts Brik on Town, DJ and Arthur. Arthur's was right but DJ was 3P. Axel jumps all over the place about Brik.
JC is his only not revealed null read by now.

Nothing particularly relevant during the rest of day 1, skipping the whole V/LA thingy.

Day 2



COMMONPLACE SCUM SENTENCE. Can't believe I didn't see it before.



Not really remarkable, but he can realize most hosters prefer multiple minor investigative roles rather than a single major one.



Important: After a long case on Geno during Day 1, now Axel completely forgets about it and tries to appear as trusting Geno to get a case on 135.



I keep asking myself how I missed these posts earlier. So, according to Axel, a PR is a good choice for a LYNCH? shouldn't it be for a KILL? Unless he wants to lynch them because he has a PR... and it turned out to happen.



Now Brik "needs more content". Interesting. Also, we know Arthur's alignment, so knowing his role doesn't effectively reduce the "null-pool".



I like how Axel is calling Brik often. Possible link? Can't say for sure.



AGAIN JUMPING ON BRIK's reads.



Another reads shift. 135 jumps on full scum and Geno on full town. Brik jumps to town with the usual "he's brik, you can't make sure". Brik, why are you so good.



Again contradicting himself, again not surprised. Apple, I'd like to know what do you think of this.



Less than 48 hours, new record. So, Apple, what are your thoughts on this? Why didn't you call him on this stuff?



Again calling you scum. Trying to take you away off our view?

Nothing else. I'm surprised of how a player has around 15 pages of posts and little to no information. This guy is good.

So, simply put, Axel has volatile reads on pretty much every player which isn't me.

Which probably means I'm scum, right?

Doing this on a phone is hard.