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because wario is a good character


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He is a good character, but lots of other characters are good enough to give him a hard time, which deems him lackluster.

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I just hate Wario haha and was just trying Kirby for fun; johns aside, you're very good too. I adapted a bit afterwards tho, good games.
In the second game I started more agressive and turned out better while in that first one I was just spacing out, so that might be it too.

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because wario is a good character
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Lol yet he struggles a lot against most of the cast. He still needs some tweaks so he can actually put up a good fight with at the very least, half of the cast, not just 4-5 of the characters.

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I think you overrate Wario's disadvantages in neutral. In a 20XX metagame, sure, Wario should really never hit the opponent. But people make mistakes, and it isn't that bad to get in on a lot of characters if you capitalize on mistakes: so much of what people do is punishable on shield, for example, regardless of shieldgrab range. He has an insane punish game when you do mess up as well.

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Personally i think he should get the wario bike back, i miss taunting off a cliff, and also launching motorbikes at high speeds at people.

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As of now, yeah, people are dumb enough to let Wario in an opening. But are we really going to allow the fact that realistically Wario shouldn't be doing anything? If I'm considered a good player only because of my punishes and sneaky approaches that others aren't aware of, then that pretty much says I only rely on my foes' stupidity. It's much more rewarding when you get stuff done on your own, without having to rely on their mishaps. This effectively suggests that Wario is a character that relies on dumb decisions, and in a high level environment where nobody is making mistakes, he stands no chance.

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As of now, yeah, people are dumb enough to let Wario in an opening. But are we really going to allow the fact that realistically Wario shouldn't be doing anything? If I'm considered a good player only because of my punishes and sneaky approaches that others aren't aware of, then that pretty much says I only rely on my foes' stupidity. It's much more rewarding when you get stuff done on your own, without having to rely on their mishaps. This effectively suggests that Wario is a character that relies on dumb decisions, and in a high level environment where nobody is making mistakes, he stands no chance.
This sounds like a description of Zelda.
Oh, hum, right. Wario things. Uhm.


He has cool little elf shoes.

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I am joining you in maining Wario.

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Guess I won't be alone again for a little bit.

Get ready to hate fighting everybody since they all play bad MUs lol.

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Get ready to hate fighting everybody since they all play bad MUs lol.

I'm used to it. Remember, I mained Sora.

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I feel like having both Sm4sh Fair and PM Bair would help balance this Wario pretty nicely. Both moves would improve Wario's range/spacing and edgeguarding, plus they would also be pretty safe moves to use. PM Bair would also improve his KO potential just a little bit, and both moves would nerf Wario's combo potential a bit.

I'm thinking about making a new changelist, my old one's pretty far back in the thread and I have a lot of stuff I changed.

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This is just my opinion, but i think wario's uair should be a bit faster as well, but yeah he needs better aerials as well.

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I think in terms of speed it's fine. What I really want for it is to be a little stronger, kinda like Brawl's Uair. I would say PM Uair, but people would get salty over dying to it at around 80-90% in most cases. Oh, and remove the sourspot and just replace it with more sweetspot.

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