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We did it... :sora:

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YES FINALLY
KIRBY IS ABOVE JIGGLYPUFF

Also, this is the only reasonable ssf2 tier list I've ever seen. I guess maybe Kirby is a low tier...
Then again, that means I'm consistently beating people with a low tier. All in all, I am happy with this tier list.

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KIRBY AND SORA ARENT LAST IM HAPPY YES!!!!!

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i still think sora should be last, why wario ;(

link is still too low

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took me way too long to figure out what the shielda pic was supposed to be

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Of course this is the most accurate tier list of the century, but I disagree with it on a few characters. For one thing, I think :naruto: should be A tier, he has easy stage control, can cover a lot of options at the same time, and he's fast and strong at the same time without ever sacrificing one for the other, he also has an easy learning curve with easy combos, he can combo for actual days without really trying.

I also hate the meta around :wario: , I feel he is incredibly underrated as a character, I feel he should be a couple places higher. I also feel :jigglypuff: & :mario: are lower than they should be, not neccesarily by a lot, but at least a few places. I think :bomberman: should be lower, while he is strong and fast and can set up nice combos, his learning curve is a bit above average.

At least :kirby: is accurately represented. :pikachu:

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Of course this is the most accurate tier list of the century, but I disagree with it on a few characters. For one thing, I think :naruto: should be A tier, he has easy stage control, can cover a lot of options at the same time, and he's fast and strong at the same time without ever sacrificing one for the other, he also has an easy learning curve with easy combos, he can combo for actual days without really trying.

I also hate the meta around :wario: , I feel he is incredibly underrated as a character, I feel he should be a couple places higher. I also feel :jigglypuff: & :mario: are lower than they should be, not neccesarily by a lot, but at least a few places. I think :bomberman: should be lower, while he is strong and fast and can set up nice combos, his learning curve is a bit above average.

At least :kirby: is accurately represented. :pikachu:

Naruto has a low skill ceiling, and because the meta has advanced well beyond his skill ceiling, he's just a mid tier.
Wario is hard-countered by most characters, and his only good matchup is against Yoshi (Which isn't exactly anywhere near being high tier imo, but that's a topic for another day). He's trash.
Jigglypuff should be placed higher imo, but then again, Kirby is superior to Jigglypuff, and people are still insisting that Kirby should be in the lowest tier, so w/e. Jigglypuff can keep her spot for all I care.
Mario is in the right spot.
Bomberman has reason for being in his spot due to his great kill power and the fact that he has the best stage control in the game with his bombs.
Kirby, in my opinion, is B+ due to his great combos, great vertical mobility, great recovery, and great edgeguarding ability.
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Of course this is the most accurate tier list of the century, but I disagree with it on a few characters. For one thing, I think :naruto: should be A tier, he has easy stage control, can cover a lot of options at the same time, and he's fast and strong at the same time without ever sacrificing one for the other, he also has an easy learning curve with easy combos, he can combo for actual days without really trying.

I also hate the meta around :wario: , I feel he is incredibly underrated as a character, I feel he should be a couple places higher. I also feel :jigglypuff: & :mario: are lower than they should be, not neccesarily by a lot, but at least a few places. I think :bomberman: should be lower, while he is strong and fast and can set up nice combos, his learning curve is a bit above average.

At least :kirby: is accurately represented. :pikachu:

If a high learning curve lowered a character's position, then Fox would be far lower than he is. More often than not, a high learning curve actually raises a character's position because a high curve nearly always correlates with high potential. A tier list assumes that the character is in the hands of someone experienced with that character.

And as I said, Wario is disputed. Most of us ultimately decided, however, that there is not enough time left in v0.9b's lifespan to unlock whatever little hidden potential he may have, and with the competitive scene effectively dead in the water right now barring some potential unforeseen sudden surge in activity, there's not going to be much opportunity to anyway.

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I thought Kirby would be at least -B tier. And ooo that Sheilda icon though.

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With Naruto, I see that more people have realized how to overcome his positives. Like people used to think Naruto beat Fox, but now we see it as the other way around. Even lower tier characters have some tools to get through his zoning. He has easy combos, but his priority and range are beat out just not by the high tiers, but the lower tiers as well. In a way, his combos and edge guarding is all he has at this point due to people knowing how to shut down his neutral. After that, their is not much he can do after that.

To me, I think Mario does well against certain characters above him, such as :link: :blackmage: :captainfalcon: :pikachu: and :naruto:. I know he beats Samus, something a lot of people agree on.

To me, Chaunch was the only :jigglypuff: player who got anywhere, being our Hbox, so even though he used to get a lot of top spots, I am not sure about it now, her mus don't dwell now.

:kirby: Is a mixed bag for me since a lot of the top tiers can beat him out, though I am not sure about him being B+ tier.

Bomberman, has some good priority with some decent mobility.

:wario: has always been annoying, though I see the glaring balance issues the devs left him with which made me angry.

:ichigo: to me should be in B+ tier. This is due seeing some mus that he excels at or being able to shut down certain characters neutrals. I see he can shut down :link: neutral, :blackmage: :pikachu: neutral and be able to shut down :sheik:, though I still know she wins the mu. I also have think he has even mus with :marth: :bomberman: :goku: and to a lesser extent, :lloyd:. I know he beats :tails: and :pikachu: from looking at mu experience and their attributes.

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