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BTW, Bandana Dee bodies Kirby, right? Or is it the other way around?

I wouldn't say he bodies him. Bdee Definitely wins the MU simply because of disjoints but Kirby has ways around them and if he can go around them the MU shouldn't be too hard for Kirby.

I'd put it at borderline 60:40 tbh. It's a pretty bad m/u.

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Been labbing with Kirby a bit.

Kirby can Up tilt "jab" reset certain characters on certain stages. Here is the link for more info: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dIv ... sp=sharing

Also Kirby can FH Fair and then slide off the platform right when you land to reduce its end lag by a massive amount and then perform and aerial right after. This should work on all legal stages with platforms except for Dreamland.

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Still doesn't make him viable rip lol

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Kirby has been top 4 in like every tournament recently, he isnt unviable :hmph:

Here is an unbiased tierlist for Kirby, some placements are questionable but it has my seal of approval.

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Bowser can prob lose to kirby, BBM can prob be in -1,
Mario, Samus, Falcon, and Pika could be in -2,
who tf plays pit
Chibi could prob also be in -2
Luffy could be thrown into the unused -3

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How is Samus not -3 but sheik is?

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How is Samus not -3 but sheik is?

Kirby can crouch under Zair, Missiles, and a few of Samus's other normals (I think), Kirby's floaty as well, so that could also kill her combos in some way. Sheik on the other hand can just overwhelm the Kirb with Needles, normals and set up fairly easy into kills as well as being difficult-ish for Kirby to edgeguard.

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Hate to agree with MeleeWaluigi, but I don't quite get it either. Kirby can crouch under all of Shiek's aerials but dair. In fact, this applies to a lot of Shiek's moves. Also, Kirby can do anything Shiek can do with her needles. I didn't even realize Shiek won the matchup until now, but if she does, I don't think I'd put it on the same tier as Ichigo.

As for Megaman, uhh...

I'd personally put that as a matchup Kirby wins, just because of jank he can pull with neutral b.

Also, Sandbag beats Kirby imo.

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TyranitarLord wrote:
Kirby has been top 4 in like every tournament recently, he isnt unviable :hmph:


Comment not just for this quote but for the whole forum.

Beta has only been out for about 7 months total and within that time it has had various changes. I don't think that's enough time for meta development and people's skill level to increase enough. It seems to me that there's a lot of stock taken in matchups. In my opinion (and I'm getting these ideas from a couple of Armada's videos) unless both players are at a high level the winner is decided by who the better player is and usually not the matchup. Also, if you play a decent character (I have no idea from experience if Kirby is really bad) then you don't need to worry about it's matchups unless you play at a very high level.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzdMvpV ... jreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrSnkLdsn4


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I put Sheik at -3 from personal experience, I've played the MU (nos) and the match-up is basically just Kirby getting thrown around. Sheik just has a very strong aerial presence (the air is where Kirby usually is.) so Kirby only has small windows of opportunities of moments where he can do anything. Also, it doesn't help that Sheik can kill Kirby so easily from his free kill setups, ESPECIALLY when he kills off a grab at around 75-100 percent from UThrow Uair (yes it works and its insanely annoying).

Samus is in -1 because I find that Samus has a hard time actually comboing Kirby due to his floatyness, and has a hard time setting up kills. Samus also gets reasonably comboed hard by Kirby (uair strings and free setups into hammer) and Zair normally doesn't even hit him most of the time. Kirby also has the choice to go for the Charge Shot which is just as strong as the regular one but he can also get very easy setups into them. Of course though, Kirby doesn't win for other reasons but Samus has some weaknesses vs. Kirby that I think makes it a -1 MU.

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I think Fox is, at BEST, even, and at worst -2. Fox is so fast he can easily run around and "outrange" Kirby, while Kirby can find it difficult to punish him outside of shield grab or Bair.

Game and Watch is -1 for Kirby. G&W has huge hitboxes and can outrange Kirby disgustingly.

Ness is similarly even IMO. Though he dies offstage, he outranges Kirby easy onstage with Fair and Bair, and Back-throw makes aggressive play dangerous for fear of a shield-grab.

Other than that I agree with this list overall, though most of my thoughts are more theory-crafting than experience (Except Fox, unless I'm just bad...)

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lol kirby isnt """"""""""outranged"""""""""""" by fox and kirby DEFINITELY has easy (and strong) punishes on fox, literally a bair at mid percents usually leads to an easy kill. kirby being floaty renders most of foxes killsetups useless and he really only has upsmash as a reliable kill move (its a good reliable kill move.) kirby has free combos on fox and can get him offstage really easily would leads to death yatta yatta kirby beats fox imo

i could see that (also key and upb are stupid)

its too easy to get ness offstage because of things like inhale and bair providing so much free control. kirby can dust off things like fair, cuz when kirby is a midpercents he usually doesnt get hit by the full thing. ness bthrow isnt even that great just ban small stages. (usually you kill ness by s*** on his recovery and not really by actually sending him to the blast zone)

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That's fair. I haven't played vs. Ness as Kirby in a long time (since 9b actually) so I wasn't certain on that. As for Fox, Fox is just one of those characters I can't play against, even with a good MU. (Looks like I am just bad lol)

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Fox is probably the only MU for Kirby where Kirby has an easier time killing his opponent than his opponent killing him.

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How do I deal with floaties with kirby?

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opponent on one stock, :kirby: on 3
:kirby: dies to an upsmash at 90
:kirby: dies to an fsmash at 70
:kirby: dies from suiciding with his bad recovery
This game's winner is...
:kirby: becomes a salt mine
rematch
opponent sticking with toptier
:kirby: switches to :yoshi:
:yoshi: jv5s opponent
opponent ditches match
:kirby: is confused


also i don't really know how to deal with floaties
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