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Good thing that Kirby's grabs aren't like melee Kirby's...

You could get out of their grabs, so they could kill themselves trying to kirbycide you.

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Define safe. I mean sure it covers a decent amount of distance but if you miss you'll experience so much end lag. Swallow to grab isn't true (except its maybe true on DK and Bowser), you can just DI up during Swallow and you don't get grabbed. Ive had people escape it and I've escapped it multiple times when ThatKirbyGuy tried to do it to me. Only D-throw is good atm. F-throw and B-throw are useless unless you are near the ledge for a Kirbycide. Kirby has too many weaknesses and not enough strengths to be mid tier.

DK beats Kirby 55:45 imo. Inhale does destroy DK if you aren't too close to him but once DK gets close you can't do much against his grab and DK can actually combo Kirby pretty hard, tho not as hard as the rest of the cast. DK wins neutral but not by a lot. Kirby gets killed pretty early by DK. Though Kirby does combo DK super hard especially at low percents. Kirby does have ways around for DK to not get close but DK can also stop Kirby from getting close to him with Bair and D-tilt.


Safe, by the definition I used in my paragraph, means less punishable. The thing about inhale is that it actually doesn't have a lot of endlag, rather, it is forced to stay out longer after you want it to end, though that doesn't make the inhale hitbox not active. Typically you can safely shield/spotdodge if you notice your opponent trying to get the jump on you trying to avoid the hitbox, especially under a platform. There are disjoints and stuff like that that some characters have, but really the only time I would inhale them is ff inhale as a read. (which is punishable by everyone, but everyone can also run into it lul).

Nah DK can't actually do a lot even if he is close, Kirby can definitely waltz around DK due to his small stature, and yeah Kirby can get uair chained at lower percents, it usually doesn't lead to anything devastating or a huge percent advantage. DK's throws are also bad against Kirby, for self explanatory reasons. Kirby's only real weakness I would say is being in the Prolific percent and just kinda dying at 20%, which is obviously retarded but I think it's hard enough to pull off against Kirby to where I wouldn't say DK wins because of that.

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New Kirby MU chart by me.
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I don't think you fully comprehend the severity of a 20:80 m/u.

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I don't think you fully comprehend the severity of a 20:80 m/u.

I don't think we have any real 90/10s or really any 80/20s honestly. I'm gonna defer to David Sirlin for this


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New Kirby MU chart by me.
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I always thought Kirby had a serious advantage over Ness and Mr. G&W.


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MeleeWaluigi wrote:
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I always thought Kirby had a serious advantage over Ness and Mr. G&W.

The only thing that makes the MU bad for Kirby is Disjoints lol

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Kirby beats ness 55:45 due to Ness's terrible recovery

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Kirby beats ness 55:45 due to Ness's terrible recovery

good luck getting him offstage while being walled by his Fair

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Really? I would think holding shield and punishing fair's landing lag with a grab would be remniscent of your playstyle. From a grab, you can easily follow up with fthrow>dair, fthrow>fair or fthrow>uair>bair.

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That MU chart is pretty a** to be honest. I can't honestly tell whether you think Kirby is good or awful. Oh, and 80:20s an 90:10s do not exist.

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BTW, Bandana Dee bodies Kirby, right? Or is it the other way around?


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BTW, Bandana Dee bodies Kirby, right? Or is it the other way around?

I wouldn't say he bodies him. Bdee Definitely wins the MU simply because of disjoints but Kirby has ways around them and if he can go around them the MU shouldn't be too hard for Kirby.

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