it wasn't broken at all. not even OP. just a slightly underwhelming balanced move... Why are you arguing with me so much if you apparently didn't even know what 9b samus did?

Another problem induced by the cancer Fair, the complete removal of a move.
Beta Fair is simply the only move you want to use. nair. Uair. Bair. Dair. Why do any of them when you can simply Fair->Chargeshot?

UpB was buffed to make it possible to recover if you whiff a Zair recovery. Zair buffed as well to make recovery easier, so the UpB buff is just egregious recovery that she doesn't need.
the DownB nerf/buff is the same type of thing as the Fair buff. it just holds your hand when it doesn't need to.
and I disagree with your statement that it is a better move for it; it increases the duration of which you are vulnerable and you have to 100% commit to your choice before you press downB otherwise you won't go far at all. In general this new version is not competitive outside of bombcollision->Dair or such.
https://gfycat.com/ChillyNegligibleHare

Beta Utilt doesn't have a sweet or sourspot its all teh same hitbox
Beta Dsmash doesn't set up for anything because of the endlag it has, its just a black sheep smash attack now, just like luffy's Fsmash. and Bandana dee's everything


You're comparing things wrong here. Just wrong.
You're thinking of how things go onto Beta samus with all she has now, this is a bad thing to do as we are discussing Beta samus style vs 9b samus style
In 9b her mobility was perfect as it balanced out with her general range(outside of Ftilt lol that was HUGE)

if I knew you IRL i'd probably have strangled you for saying the things you did. Not to death, but enough.

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But eh, if projectiles aren't actually transcendent Beta Samus won't be a problem all the time though.
The only thing she needs is a damage nerf for FAir and CS, and that's literally it, everything else is fine.

i dont know about the rest but when you do 24%with any fair and not even a heavy that to be fixed .




funny thing
Fair: 15%
fair: 14%





(knee):18%

Fair: 24%

She'll need a s*** load of buffs once those things magically happens of course. Because she'll go from high to low real fast. They took all her good moves away and those are her current good ones. Quick fix. Pull back some of her old kit. Like Bair.



Funny thing is... Theirs kills earlier. Samus doesn't kill until 200. So I'm trying to see what's funny here?

A poor roll always has been one of Samus's biggest weaknesses and it will propably always be that way. Project M actually went ahead and gave her a "regular" roll and made Morph Ball her crawl (and then added Boost Ball as a crawl attack, but thats a different topic), but I digress.

Consider this: Beta Samus as she is right now with her giant hitboxes, insane damage output and pseudo-transcendent projectiles is a nightmare to approach for many characters. But once you get in she kinda struggles to effectively push you back out into her preferred range outside of a lagless Frame 1 Zair (yeah, thats as silly as it sounds) to regain her footing. If she had the fastest roll in the game you would migitate that major weakness of the character by a huge amount simply because she would have a relatively safe option to escape pressure. Samus always thrived at mid-range but generally lacks in close quarters combat and resetting back to a neutral position. Removing her struggle to safely regain space and giving her a strong (or at least useful) tool to go back to mid-range effectively doesnt sound like a great idea in my book, and this is coming from a guy who despises her roll for the exact reason you gave

you know he's talking about ssf2 samus... right?

anywho.

I predict that in the next update that they are going to nerf Fair to do like 15% and greatly reduce the hitbox. and "fix" Charge shot.
Now assuming this is true, you guys know how bad samus will be? Like god awful. bottom 10. I bet that they won't even buff her other aerials to compensate.
So not only would I be unhappy, but every other spamming mofo who picked up samus in beta would be unhappy too...

best case scenario we get a direct rip from 9b with some simple stat buffs and nerfs such as %damage. and Dthrow having less base KB and a higher KBG

Samus' uptilt no longer kills